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AMD freesync coming soon, no extra costs.... shocker
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Well look at you Mr perfect, not everyone here will have perfect English spelling and grammar I for one know my spelling and grammar isn't the best but why should that stop me coming on the forum.
Think your post is really rude and disrespectful.
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In no particular order...
Caporegime
Well that was a surprise. I knew AMD were going to hit back with something but I didn't expect something this soon. The only reason I went to Nvidia on my recent 780 purchase was for Gsync, but I am returning the 780 using DSR as I just don't like Nvidia drivers and the card just feels **** in general.
Cannot wait to get my 290 now at the end of the week hopefully.
Does anyone know if this is likely to work on a Samsung 700D 120hz monitor? As I understand it, the hardware stuff is in the GCN cards not the monitor?
Cannot wait to get my 290 now at the end of the week hopefully.
Does anyone know if this is likely to work on a Samsung 700D 120hz monitor? As I understand it, the hardware stuff is in the GCN cards not the monitor?
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Sorry, too much temptation
To be fair I am in work on phone and speed typing
Don't want to get sacked for replying to a disrespectful person now do I.
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The monitor needs to support the Vblanking feature which, I don't know for any certainty but I'm guessing that very few screens currently support it. It's a new proposed standard, it has made it's way into new screens already(the toshiba laptop supports it, but you wouldn't want to game on that
). I strongly suspect most current monitors won't work with it. I suspect that certain gaming oriented monitor manufacturers have been persuaded, or dissuaded from pushing to release monitors with Vblanking as soon as they had maybe planned.I have a 700d also, but I really think a new monitor will be required for it. I'm in no particular rush because the difference is going to be exponentially smaller the higher the framerate you have in games. G-sync/freesync will probably follow an exponential curve, making the biggest difference at 30fps, much less difference at 60fps, and by circa 90fps will be very small.
Based on the quality of my 700d, I think i'd quite happily wait for a Samsung replacement, they seem to have been quite neutral, not going 3dvision, no sign they went g-sync, so hopefully will get a screen for it sooner rather than later.
Basically I'd see any current screens supporting it as a massive bonus, but expect to be looking for a new screen.
Caporegime
Someone on Rage3D says
"any DirectDrive Monitor (DDM 1.0+) display should support it..
circa 2010"
How true that is, i don't know though. I also don't know if my monitor supports that. ^
"any DirectDrive Monitor (DDM 1.0+) display should support it..
circa 2010"
How true that is, i don't know though. I also don't know if my monitor supports that. ^
Ok cool I guessed it wouldn't.
I hadn't really considered it still might be years away from release.
You dismiss the needed GPU hardware very easily.
The bottom line is that the AMD GPU's have supported this for three generations, so they have the hardware necessary.
Until we get more info the rest is all just speculation.
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It seems that it's possible it's part of the display port spec but monitor makers maybe don't actually have to pay any attention to it, so display port is set up for it already but monitors may not have put any software in place to use it.
I think we'll find out relatively soon, Anand or one of 50 other guys will ask AMD, vesa, someone about it and get an answer.
Guess, it's part of display port spec, it's not required yet in Vesa so many screens haven't ever used it, most new screens will want to do it for power saving reasons. We'll get gaming screens with 120+hz with whatever is required included monitor side and we all get it. Changable refresh rate for power saving has been on the cards for several years, so it's likely everyone was building up to this and someone decided to jump the gun with a non standard version...
Something more interesting is if this would come to tv's soon, and if both consoles support it, because it's likely given that Kabini supports it. With tv panels being so much bigger and using so much more power, the push for greener tv's will probably see it pushed forward.
I think we'll find out relatively soon, Anand or one of 50 other guys will ask AMD, vesa, someone about it and get an answer.
Guess, it's part of display port spec, it's not required yet in Vesa so many screens haven't ever used it, most new screens will want to do it for power saving reasons. We'll get gaming screens with 120+hz with whatever is required included monitor side and we all get it. Changable refresh rate for power saving has been on the cards for several years, so it's likely everyone was building up to this and someone decided to jump the gun with a non standard version...
Something more interesting is if this would come to tv's soon, and if both consoles support it, because it's likely given that Kabini supports it. With tv panels being so much bigger and using so much more power, the push for greener tv's will probably see it pushed forward.
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You dismiss the needed GPU hardware very easily.
The bottom line is that the AMD GPU's have supported this for three generations, so they have the hardware necessary.
Until we get more info the rest is all just speculation.
I dismissed nothing, don't put words in my mouth thanks. The hardware GPU side is NOT relevant to the hardware monitor side, this is not speculation. If a monitor is using a soon to be industry standard, AMD could not lock out another Vesa member using this for free OR a non member using it for a small cost. They couldn't use AMD's hardware implementation but they can use the monitor's implementation, it's up to whoever else to decide how to output the signals however they want.
AMD can't take a stranglehold on a Vesa standard, everything up to the output of the gpu is AMD, everything beyond that has to adhere to industry standards.
AMD/Nvidia/Intel all have different hardware but can all output a 120hz signal.... how AMD does it doesn't have to be identical to how Nvidia or Intel do it, that doesn't mean they can stop a screen using an industry standard method from working with other hardware.
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Someone on Rage3D says
"any DirectDrive Monitor (DDM 1.0+) display should support it..
circa 2010"
How true that is, i don't know though. I also don't know if my monitor supports that. ^
If your monitor has anything other than a single DP port then it isnt DDM
DDM was another power saving thing from 2008, I can only find a single Dell monitor that has it
MY Original comment
the (yet another pointless argument) conversation that followed.
This statement is quite correct, one does not necessarily have a bearing on the other.
With many posters in this thread maybe you thought you were answering someone else, or thought I said something else I don't know. But my original statement is perfectly correct.
If it needs the hardware that is present in AMD GPU's then it wont work on non AMD GPU's
the (yet another pointless argument) conversation that followed.
You dismiss the needed GPU hardware very easily.
The bottom line is that the AMD GPU's have supported this for three generations, so they have the hardware necessary.
Until we get more info the rest is all just speculation.
This statement is quite correct, one does not necessarily have a bearing on the other.
With many posters in this thread maybe you thought you were answering someone else, or thought I said something else I don't know. But my original statement is perfectly correct.
If it needs the hardware that is present in AMD GPU's then it wont work on non AMD GPU's
Caporegime
At least Humbug isn't propriaiatory with his spelling
Cost me a fortune and now i'm locked in
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I know that using comments in a tech article is a pretty poor source (especially since they are translated from another language), but if what they are saying is true then it will make freesync virtually useless for gaming because it doesn't work very well with a constantly varying refresh rate (which would explain why AMD went with a demo that had a perfectly constant framrate):
http://be.hardware.info/nieuws/38467/ces-amd-toont-gratis-alternatief-voor-g-sync-freesync
I don't pretend to understand the technical details of how vsync and gsync are working, and I also freely admit that the source I'm getting this from is a bit crap, but if this is actually the case then it would certainly explain why nvidia went with the gsync route when they must have known about the vesa standard that was in development that freesync is using.
If this guy is talking from his behind then do please carry on as you were
http://be.hardware.info/nieuws/38467/ces-amd-toont-gratis-alternatief-voor-g-sync-freesync
Buzz Buzz said:
I don't pretend to understand the technical details of how vsync and gsync are working, and I also freely admit that the source I'm getting this from is a bit crap, but if this is actually the case then it would certainly explain why nvidia went with the gsync route when they must have known about the vesa standard that was in development that freesync is using.
If this guy is talking from his behind then do please carry on as you were
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No wonder this industry is in such a mess when standards body (ie VESA) is basically run by no one else but those MAD guys (amd). Sometimes someone has to take a charge and make things happen for REAL
Caporegime
An interesting find Reaper. I also don't pretend to understand it but I am sure someone can put sense to it.