AMD has an answer to DLSS, DirectML Super Resolution

[humbug]

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Just because they add more sharpening to it in Control doesn't mean anything, I can add CAS at any time in any game.

The DLSS off screenshot looks better to me in the top screenshot for sure.

I was just thinking that, and the bottom shot... DLSS off defiantly looks better. DLSS on looks like its, well, lower resolution.

 

[TNA]

I was just thinking that, and the bottom shot... DLSS off defiantly looks better. DLSS on looks like its, well, lower resolution.

That is why I have been stuck on 4K since 2014. Once you see the better image quality, it is hard to go back. You can even tell the difference in the shot above, imagine the difference between native 1440p and native 4K! You 1440p boys are missing out

 

[humbug]

That is why I have been stuck on 4K since 2014. Once you see the better image quality, it is hard to go back. You can even tell the difference in the shot above, imagine the difference between native 1440p and native 4K! You 1440p boys are missing out

I think the Native resolution image quality is always going to be better, Nvidia market DLSS as something where you can run a lower resolution and get the same or better image quality than native, its BS, you maybe able to pick out somethings things to point at and say "look see, sharper" but you can't do that for the whole image, look at the water in both those screenshots, that's clearly 1080P/1440P vs 4K, if one cannot see that one is blind.

DLSS like RIS is an image enhancement tool, they sharpen some aspects of the image, IT IS NOT a replacement for Native resolutions no matter how good Nvidia's marketing is.

 

[gpuerrilla]

That is why I have been stuck on 4K since 2014. Once you see the better image quality, it is hard to go back. You can even tell the difference in the shot above, imagine the difference between native 1440p and native 4K! You 1440p boys are missing out

You!! How dare you reference the words native and DLSS in the same post.

 

[chris85oc]

Yea DLSS in watch dogs legion is **** indeed but people will always cling on the crappy implementations to pretend like the good ones dont exist ( like control / death stranding and wolfenstein young blood) which do look equal and in some cases better than native while also offering 50%+ free performance.

But you know... cherry picking and all..

 

[no_1_dave]

They can improve DLSS image quality in a patch. Right now it's not too bad, but it isn't as good as it should be

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

People just repeat stuff like better than native,which is a marketing line. Funny how when I actually knew people who worked on machine learning based image reconstruction\analysis efforts. Only dorks cared about it back then! Yet the moment marketing from a company talks about it,its like the second coming of a deity.

Also is it better than native with MSAA and other expensive forms of image enhancement,or better than "native" with rubbish forms of AA and post processing,which add their own image artefacts?? What about the motion artefacts a lot of different upscaling technqiues add(DF saw particle trailing artefacts in DLSS in games such as Control IIRC),which you see during fast paced movements?? Static images are the easiest on any form of upscaling. This is why everyone from Sony/MS to Nvidia/AMD just like looking at static images.

People seem to be oblivious to the sharpening like artefacts and contrast enhancement a lot of upscaling techniques seem to apply,to make the final image look more appealing.AMD will do the same just like MS/Sony also did with their own forms of upscaling. RIS is already part of it.

I assume these are the same people who believe their iPhone/Galaxy S is "better" than an expensive ILC camera with decent lenses,because contrast and sharpening are pushed upto the max. It will be interesting to see if both the upscaled and "native" images were subjected to the same kind of post-processing,what peoples view would be then?

 

[chris85oc]

Marketing line for you maybe. I actually played the games on my 4k oled and DLSS was better. Native is a shimmerfest with worse perf while also lacking distant detail that DLSS solves. But I’ve already been there. It’s tiring trying to convince biased people that dont even have first hand experience with said games/tech.

Just the fact that you compare it to a sharpening filter and amd’s RIS says enough about your knowledge on the subject. I mean do you or anyone else that tries to downplay DLSS think your bs walks? For anyone that can actually try it themselves? Come on man, get real.

Whatever helps you sleep better friend.

PS: msaa is **** for solving transparency, it only solved edges on non transparent objects without advanced shading like PBR and such... its a relic of the old days that does nothing for todays games and rendering in general

 

[gpuerrilla]

I was going to counter then seen this:

..people will always cling on the crappy implementations to pretend like the good ones dont exist.. which do look equal and in some cases better than native while also offering 50%+ free performance.

People just repeat stuff like better than native,which is a marketing line. Better than native with MSAA and other expensive forms of image enhancement,or better than "native" with rubbish forms of AA..People seem to be oblivious to the sharpening like artefacts and contrast enhancement a lot of upscaling techniques seem to apply,to make the final image look more appealing.

 

[chris85oc]

Yeh thanks for proving my point... again.

Anyway the same people downplaying DLSS atm will be the first to praise AMD’s solution even though it will likely be worse.. not the first time and defo not the last either.

 

[gpuerrilla]

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I was going to counter then seen this:

It is just repeating literal marketing lines. Just like when people partial to Apple repeat the same marketing lines. Then defend it to the end!

Good marketing has an effect. It was because in the 1930s(during the Great Depression) De Beers lead a successful marketing compaign which is why many engagement rings now have diamonds or other precious stones:
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...-invented-the-diamond-engagement-ring/385376/

Its weird how some here act like image reconstruction techniques using machine learning inspired methodologies,etc is new. It isn't and Nvidia or AMD didn't invent them. They are not as infallible like many here seem to want to sell it,which people wouldn't appreciate if they realised what was going on,and more importantly what it is being compared to. Its funny how people suddenly found the "light" just because its Apple,Nvidia,AMD or insert name big company which markets it.

It's a nice option to have,but goodness grief its hyped beyond belief.This is why it ends up falling over itself because of unrealistic expectations.

Also expect upscaling wars now. The Nvidia chaps will laud over the AMD chaps when their one is "better",and when the AMD does it better than Nvidia suddenly it will be back to native performance,etc and vice versa for the AMD chaps.

In the end we all know why upscaling is being used,ie,lack of performance. Consoles used it and were mocked by the PC guys years ago,now PC lacks enough performance its the hottest feature ever. How things change,but also align. All one happy upscaled gaming family now!!

Upscaling is worse though?? You sure??

 

[humbug]

 

[gpuerrilla]

Its proving your point though. One minute consoles are laughed at (as they had to find a way to get better visuals from gimped hardware constraints) then its suddenly needed by the most powerful 3D company who are into AI on the planet. All nvidia do is turn to things that were explored decades ago and then pour in the latest resources to make it work. The donkey work and theory was done by someone else, all they do is market it an win. Not saying AMD are any better 'cos they arent but then again they are the underdog for the time being and in that position you have to make the breakthrough which is where the masses get adoption.

 

[TNA]

@Grim5 - What the hell man. Get in here already, the fine name of DLSS is getting tarnished once again, do your job!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

@Grim5 - What the hell man. Get in here already, the fine name of DLSS is getting tarnished once again!

Wait until I tarnish DirectML Super Resolution,I will get two channel stereo annoyance on here!!

AMD will say their upscaling is better than DLSS,ie,its better than reality. Pfft,better than native,that is so 2018!!

@Th0nt All one happy upscaled gaming family now!!

 

[Grim5]

@Grim5 - What the hell man. Get in here already, the fine name of DLSS is getting tarnished once again, do your job!

I've asked you before, where? I can't find the tarnishment unfortunately

 

[TNA]

I've asked you before, where? I can't find the tarnishment unfortunately

On this very page sir and not just one post but the whole page, would be impossible to miss. People are bad mouthing DLSS. You have reacted to a lot less before

Unless your viewpoint of what DLSS is or how good it is has changed?

 

[Grim5]

On this very page sir and not just one post but the whole page, would be impossible to miss. People are bad mouthing DLSS. You have reacted a lot less before

Unless your viewpoint of what DLSS is or how good it is has changed?

Looks the same to me so I'll play with dlss on

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

@TNA also isn't tarnishment a potentially big problem too? Think of all the poor shiny RT surfaces,all dull and not all reflective.