Soldato
Improvements are great still can't use it and too many threads. What's the BF4 benchmark thread for if not this?
-
Competitor rules
Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.
AMD Mantle Vs. Direct X Battlefield 4 Multiplayer Benchmarks
- Thread starter LtMatt
- Start date
Soldato
- Joined
- 30 Nov 2011
- Posts
- 11,375
The star swarm demo is just a massive crock, deferred contexts disabled by default (50% increase in fps by enabling) and none of my cores ever reach 100% yet apparently that is a cpu bottleneck
Soldato
- Joined
- 28 May 2007
- Posts
- 10,146
It's not total nonsense at all. How is a 3 FPS increase at 1440p really that significant? You would be guessing trying to pick a 45 FPS average out from a 48 FPS average line up.
Whereas I over clock my 780 because it provides a hell of a lot more than 8%.
Stating it's 8% faster (or whatever) is fine but is that really a game changer? Not really on its own. You seemed to have missed the part where I said twice that any improvement is not to be sniffed at.
Mantle 8% and then overclocked though. The gains might be more than 8% as well as more cpu will be needed to keep up with the overclocked card. I think we also need to keep in mind the 3930 at 3.9ghz is about as good as it gets in these kinds of tests and certainly won't be the norm in most machines. A 4770 is more realistic and may have seen bigger gains.
Soldato
'standardised?
How exactly?
The only way I can see this working is if the entire game is played by bots, otherwise there's going to be human error.
Soldato
What are you on about? I have never stated it being a game changer. Nice performance boost if you have a supporting card though, makes it more of a "game changer" then if future games are not "patched in".
Give it a chance and let's see what the next driver version improves as the last couple have not been anything to shout about.
Soldato
The CPU won't become the bottleneck from overclocking the card.
What are you on about? I never said you said it was a game changer? It was an open question.
Last edited:
This. Very well said sir.
It could be worse, they could be trying to charge for Mantle. And if they did you can bet a great deal of enthusiasts would pay for it for the extra 8%. People already pay extra money to get an increase for less or similar than this. I.e buying 290x instead of 290. Upgrading from 780 to titan or titan to 780ti. Granted in the last instance gains might be a little bit more than 8% but the upgrade cost/depreciation/extra cost is much larger in perspective to the gains. If mantle was a £50 or even £100 extra from the outset, people would moan but eventually come to terms with it and shell out for the 8%, and even upto 24% on some setups as the graphs show. The fact AMD have spent so many resources, time, relationships with devs, coding and of course probably a good chunk of money and they are passing this feature on FOC, and still manage to keep their gfx prices very reasonable (mining boom excluded) i think this is blooming fantastic and just further concretes their commitment to providing gamers with every feature and experience they can without ripping them off. They are trying to give the whole package. Not to mention true audio and their free version of gysnc, which admitattly remains to be seen performance wise, but again this is something from the outset they have stated will be free, also hinted by its name
and this is no fanboy, this is coming from someone whos putting themself down for a gtx790 if and when such a thing ever comes to fruition
Caporegime
I think I'm going to bow out at this point, you clearly know more than both graphics cards makers who will go to very large extents for that kind of increase (factory overclocks, cheating on drivers, rolling out incremental GPU upgrades).
Soldato
- Joined
- 28 May 2007
- Posts
- 10,146
It will still require more cpu so there might be an increase a little like lowering a setting. How much i have no idea.
Soldato
Don't get me wrong it's not a reflection of the APIs capability but 8% is nothing for debate. I've skim read driver notes with more gains than that.
Have they fixed the fogging yet?
Have they fixed the fogging yet?
Soldato
Think I agree. If black is indeed white (to them) then you cannot argue what another believes, as the saying goes - haters will hate!
Soldato
Nice sarcasm
You're still entirely missing the point. We're comparing two APIs side by side. The angle you're coming in from it not coherent to this particular comparison being made.
I'll say again, 8% in percentage terms is better than nothing but when you equate it to an actual FPS number it's neither here nor there as there is no way you'd be able to pick one out from the other. For me personally, I wouldn't factor in an 8% increase via Mantle into my own internal purchasing decisions as it isn't high enough. It could have course increase dramatically in future games but time will tell on that one.
BTW on your point: people generally don't buy custom cards for the factory overclock; they buy them for the aesthetics and acoustics of the cooler
.8 thread i7 or a 12 thread i7 (overclocked) isn't going to CPU bottleneck a single card in BF4. Overclocked or not.
Caporegime
Two APIs, side by side, one is 8% faster, 8% is a big thing in the industry, this is good.
You can keep coming back to the actual FPS increase but the above is true no matter how you try and justify your argument.
You can keep coming back to the actual FPS increase but the above is true no matter how you try and justify your argument.
Soldato
Lets play spot the difference.
And then lets play the game where we deny it would make any difference
Now, I'm not trying to **** stir here, as easy as that may be.
But why implement this fantastic low level API...and then reduce draw distance...Explain this to me.
Last edited:
Soldato
Yes I keep coming back to it because you haven't acknowledged it. If you acknowledge that 3 FPS at 1600p isn't going to make any difference then this undermines your point about it being a "big thing".
The percentage is only relevant when you cross reference it with the FPS being achieved. If you were getting 24 FPS and Mantle bumped this to 26 FPS then 8% is looking even less noteworthy. That is my point.
And anyway, as somebody else says, up to 10% regularly gets added in quite liberally with driver updates so, you know, it ain't that big a thing.
This makes it sound like I'm entirely negative about Mantle which isn't the case. I'm of the opinion myself that BF4 was a terrible way to showcase it and I would have thought they would have been best served waiting until Thief. But hey-ho
.
Soldato
Lets play spot the difference.
And then lets play the game where we deny it would make any difference
Now, I'm not trying to **** stir here, as easy as that may be.
But why implement this fantastic low level API...and then reduce draw distance...Explain this to me.
Known bug and also Dev said will be worked on. He also said it wont effect Performance. i'll try and find it twitter link.
Soldato
Draw distance doesn't affect performance...Got yah .
Anyway nevermind, continue
.Anyway nevermind, continue
Soldato
Draw distance doesn't affect performance...Got yah
Here I believe a Dev first
http://wccftech.com/amd-mantle-washed-graphics-compared-direct-battlefield-4/