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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Jimmy Weirdarms said:
I have a 2080 Ti. If AMD has the best card next-gen I'll consider them.

But they're going to have to pull off something really special, given how far behind the game they are at the top end.
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They really are not that far behind, keep hearing this all the time, they had a much bigger jump to make vs Intel and look how that has turned out. In terms of performance, AMD vs Nvidia they are not that far at all, sure they are behind in features like ray tracing but that is only a single GPU generation. All AMD needs to do is release a strong competing GPU with RDNA2 and they right back again just like release ZEN did.
 
shankly1985 said:
They really are not that far behind, keep hearing this all the time, they had a much bigger jump to make vs Intel and look how that has turned out. In terms of performance, AMD vs Nvidia they are not that far at all, sure they are behind in features like ray tracing but that is only a single GPU generation. All AMD needs to do is release a strong competing GPU with RDNA2 and they right back again just like release ZEN did.
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Even with the recent jump in performance, they don't have a product that competes with the 2080 Ti, at all, and that card is two years old. Nvidia have a new lineup out soon. So ... I'll believe it when I see it.

I will then buy it, because hey, I like AMD. I've had a few AMD processors, run Ryzen now. My last AMD graphics card was an X800 though, which is going back some!
 
LePhuronn said:
And if the cards are already pushing over £1,000 then what's another £150? If Nvidia can get away with charging £1,200+ for the 2080 Ti, there is no way in hell AMD aren't going to the same with the top-end RDNA 2 cards, and at that point slap HBM on there. AMD way even need to put HBM on there to keep total board power down, 16GB GDDR6 is going to be quite hungry.
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mare you sure you aren't an Nvidia fan? You seem excited to spend more money
 
LePhuronn said:
But does that mean two-thirds would?
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That's about everyone else that wouldn't spend a grand for just a gpu.

The question was posed that those who bought a 2089ti for $1200 would also pay $1000 for Radeon.
Imo, I wouldn't believe a 1/3 if them would and just stick with Nvidia regardless. I say that because they will finally get a new driver gui. They don't want to miss out paying another $1200+ for that.
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Grim5 said:
mare you sure you aren't an Nvidia fan? You seem excited to spend more money
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That's not what I'm saying. The post I replied to was decrying the presence of HBM2e on GPUs and the inflated cost as a result. I merely said that if you're already north of a grand for th product then another ton-and-a-half is neither here nor there for somebody in the market for such a card. Now, adding £150 to a £300 card is a different kettle of fish, but were talking about the rumoured top banana 6900XT, not the 5700XT replacement.
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Heh - that card was on the market for what, six months? What happened there? Was it just too expensive to manufacture? Or did they sell all the chips to Apple for the new Mac Pro?
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I'm pretty sure Radeon VII was a marketing stunt to fill the gap left by a delayed Navi. It's a bit of logic leaping and chaining together speculation and heresay, but there was talk of a problem with Navi in the September 2018 which required some reworking of the silicon. Some say it was just a respin, others say there was a flaw. In any event, Navi wasn't going to land for CES. So, it looks like a bunch of Vega 20 GPUs were repurposed into a gaming card. Whether those Vega 20s were failed Instinct MI50 packages or actually taken from Instinct stock remains to be seen, but the PCB and cooler already existed from a cancelled Vega 20 gaming card project.

And it was a good enough PR stunt. AMD could claim the "worlds 1st 7nm gaming card" bragging rights, gave some impressive numbers with 16GB VRAM and 1TB/s bandwidth, and it did kinda keep up with the RTX 2080. After so long of trailing Nvidia and rebranding Polaris again and again, it looked like AMD had suddenly jumped back into competitiveness being 6 months behind, not years behind. And filled the gap until Navi finally landed in June. I do believe though there was supposed to be a bigger Navi card coming to replace the Radeon VII, but it never happened and Radeon VII was EOLed surprisingly early if there was never intended to be a replacement.
 
LePhuronn said:
I'm pretty sure Radeon VII was a marketing stunt to fill the gap left by a delayed Navi. It's a bit of logic leaping and chaining together speculation and heresay, but there was talk of a problem with Navi in the September 2018 which required some reworking of the silicon. Some say it was just a respin, others say there was a flaw. In any event, Navi wasn't going to land for CES. So, it looks like a bunch of Vega 20 GPUs were repurposed into a gaming card. Whether those Vega 20s were failed Instinct MI50 packages or actually taken from Instinct stock remains to be seen, but the PCB and cooler already existed from a cancelled Vega 20 gaming card project.

And it was a good enough PR stunt. AMD could claim the "worlds 1st 7nm gaming card" bragging rights, gave some impressive numbers with 16GB VRAM and 1TB/s bandwidth, and it did kinda keep up with the RTX 2080. After so long of trailing Nvidia and rebranding Polaris again and again, it looked like AMD had suddenly jumped back into competitiveness being 6 months behind, not years behind. And filled the gap until Navi finally landed in June. I do believe though there was supposed to be a bigger Navi card coming to replace the Radeon VII, but it never happened and Radeon VII was EOLed surprisingly early if there was never intended to be a replacement.
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A agree there with navi being delay, the r7 performs similarly to it.

I also agree there was 5800xt and 5900xt planned but if you own a Navi now you can see there is nothing left to squeeze out of them and the gcn that is still present limits them to 64 shader units.
If amd had gotten a non RT but 2080 super or more preformance card out they would have made a killing as just a rasterization card
 
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