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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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4K8KW10 said:
Victory?
Too many requirements for it - they should be super aggressive with the die size. It should scale linearly. It should deliver the promised 50% performance per-watt increase over RDNA 1, that means Navi 21 should be 100% larger, 50% more power efficient, and should clock very high.

I don't believe that Navi 21 with 505 sq. mm die size in its top configuration is only 15% faster than RTX 2080 Ti.

It's either engineering sample with much lower specs or lower clocks, or just not Navi 21 but another chip.
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Good to see you back! You have been missed.....
 
EastCoastHandle said:
That's to be expected. You must remember this is just a subset. Admitted from their own camp.

One thing that is dafly omitted is the fact that we're not playing PC exclusive games anymore. While some have come into this platform having not known of PC exclusive games. Moving forward, the majority of games that you play are going to come from console.

And yet you have a few alarmist proclaiming dlss 2.0 when it's only been exhibited in just one game. Just one game LOL. There is no other announcement of any other game using dlss 2.0. Yet they want you to believe that AMD must take it seriously. It's like making a mountain out of a simple ant hill.

Furthermore, as mentioned by other users in this thread Nvidia is not a charity. What that means is they're not going to allow dlss from a 2000 series turing to be on par with ampere. They would never sell ampere, lol. That is the true focus of what the green camp needs to be concerned about. Not what they think AMD needs to do.:D

The truth is though, unfortunately, some of them really do believe that with dlss and their 2000 series card that they are going to be a few frames behind ampere. Which is a sad delusion.

The point of all this is that they will stay with Nvidia be an ampere or turing.


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Truth is AMD does have a few feature sets of their own which they will announce once the card is released. Another thing is their conjunction with Microsoft in which, from initial tes, allowed you to download games via power shell directly from console. No more .exe.

But let us not kid ourselves adrenaline drivers are feature-rich already.
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Just 1 game using DLSS 2.0?
Are you sure about this?
 
Tbf I really really like this 5700XT, if AMD can get 50% more performance and good RT performance on top then I'd be more than happy with it (with the one down from the top top card, ie sane pricing around £600).
 
Grim5 said:
Aren't you seriously over reacting!?

You realise 650 is HALF the price of the 2080ti, so you're saying a card that's HALF the price and 15% faster is not worth buying? Oh boy, some people are living in lala land, how cheap do you want it to be, 300 pounds?
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2080ti should always have been £700

3080 should be no more than that ergo a slower £50 cheaper part is fantasyland. If AMD built their die too small then its worth considerably less.
 
JediFragger said:
Tbf I really really like this 5700XT, if AMD can get 50% more performance and good RT performance on top then I'd be more than happy with it (with the one down from the top top card, ie sane pricing around £600).
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Yea but what about DLSS? :p:D
 
Participant said:
I hope AMD don't get anywhere near nVidia's top card, because then they'll keep targeting value in the mid range, which is all most people want.
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AMD this time round I`m half expecting a Ryzen type challenge. They could do top end with a limited run to give Nvidia a broken nail but I still expect them to mount a challenge with a mid range value option where most of the sales will be.
 
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I hope AMD don't get anywhere near nVidia's top card, because then they'll keep targeting value in the mid range, which is all most people want.
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I agree, they need to get the most bang for £3-600, let nvidea stay on the top tier. Spending over £1k on a gpu is anything I'll ever do.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
The idea of DLSS is fair enough my point is I don't want to pay for something I can't use.
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Oh I completely agree. On release I was certain that Ray Tracing and DLSS were a bad excuse for NVidia to cell data center silicon to consumers at high prices - the extra transistors were literally useless.

If DLSS 3 works on RTX cards then I'll be relatively happy, but if it doesnt then NVidia adding tensors cores to a commercial products is straight up dodgy.

The addition of RT cores is OK in my mind (I want realistic audio), however the RT product wasn't ready for commercial introduction and should have been delayed till later gens IMHO.

Again, if AMD can provide Ray Tracing with additional CUs, then it'll be a case of looking at who is most efficient with transistors to give the same performance and feature set. I would FAR rather more CUs that I can throw at a non-RT application than silicon that sits dumb until you fire up a specific feature.
 
Grim5 said:
Aren't you seriously over reacting!?

You realise 650 is HALF the price of the 2080ti, so you're saying a card that's HALF the price and 15% faster is not worth buying? Oh boy, some people are living in lala land, how cheap do you want it to be, 300 pounds?
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Did you check the price of Gtx 980ti and 1080Ti?When they came out? 650 sounds correct. Take that green blindfolds off
 
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