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AMD on the road to recovery.

nashathedog said:
This is the hope and Lisa Su said as much a year or so ago.

AMD have gotten their CPU house in order so while they will still need to keep at it with Ryzen they are now in a position to give RTG back some of the resources it lost when they were being diverted to Ryzen over the last few years.
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Indeed. RTG budget for this year is up 25%.

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humbug said:
The same people who down graded Intel have now up graded AMD.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/33786...micro-shares-1_7-percent-premarket#email_link
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Not surprised. Especially after the brief indication of the threadripper 2 lineup.
The 2950X especially going to sell like hotcakes with it's 4.4Ghz boost clock. Which means with good watercooling and not some crap AIO, could do 4.5Ghz (probably 4.6Ghz) all core.
That is massive considering it's price which is half of the 7980XE for just 2 less cores, and no need for losing warranty by deliding it.

Already if you check the "unboxing" videos comments, many are those who considering drop mainstream and get into HEDT.

Also given the 9900K rumoured prices, you either buy £450-500 a 8 core CFL or for £800 a 16 core monstrosity. :p
 
Panos said:
Also given the 9900K rumoured prices, you either buy £450-500 a 8 core CFL or for £800 a 16 core monstrosity. :p
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I still see Ryzen 2 as being the obvious choice for the vast majority unless you have already maxed out your other components with performance you can actually use day to day in a more tangible way.
So for gamers unless you already have a 1080 Ti, an amazing TFT etc that extra £500 is better spent elsewhere for more tangible benefits.
Very interested to see how well the top two tier chips sell as they will definitely seduce some who won't use the performance.
 
Panos said:
Intel was a decade ahead of AMD. The latter had no CPU to compete at any segment except APU since 2007.

Nvidia is just a year ahead of AMD in DX11 ONLY due to Titan X and 1080Ti. Anything bellow that AMD has the better products.
While AMD is ahead on innovation when comes to Vulcan and DX12 APIs.

And yet I do not remembering you, calling Nvidia doomed when for 6 years on the trot were beaten by AMD in price and performance even on top range products.
And AMD domination back then was total across all segments. Nvidia now has only a halo product that AMD doesn't have.
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I wasn't on these forums the last time AMD had a top GPU. I had a 4870 back in the day. Since then I don't remember AMD having a top tier card that could compete since then.
 
smilingcrow said:
I still see Ryzen 2 as being the obvious choice for the vast majority unless you have already maxed out your other components with performance you can actually use day to day in a more tangible way.
So for gamers unless you already have a 1080 Ti, an amazing TFT etc that extra £500 is better spent elsewhere for more tangible benefits.
Very interested to see how well the top two tier chips sell as they will definitely seduce some who won't use the performance.
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Actually the "amazing" TFT equals to 720p or 1080p monitor. Anything above that resolution and both CPUs are the same regardless clocks.
And if you happen to have anything less than GTX1080Ti, that applies also.
 
humbug said:
290X vs 780TI
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And yet 290X in 2018 is just a good GPU, above the "mid tier" in performance especially DX12 with async compute.

While the 780Ti is eaten the dust in performance. (last time I checked was around GTX1050Ti perf on some benchmarks).

What is shame is the R9 285. That was one off, and disappeared.
Even if it has innovative tessellation engine we haven't see since on AMD cards.
 
Panos said:
Actually the "amazing" TFT equals to 720p or 1080p monitor. Anything above that resolution and both CPUs are the same regardless clocks.
And if you happen to have anything less than GTX1080Ti, that applies also.
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'Amazing' refers to the size, quality, features, refresh rate as well as the resolution which is what I'm getting at so there is a lot of scope to spend a lot on a screen.
So having an extra £500 to put towards the budget for your TFT and GPU is significant especially if as you say the CPU will make no difference.
I spend more on my TFTs and SSDs than my CPU by a massive margin as that is what I benefit from the most.
 
Panos said:
And yet 290X in 2018 is just a good GPU, above the "mid tier" in performance especially DX12 with async compute.

While the 780Ti is eaten the dust in performance. (last time I checked was around GTX1050Ti perf on some benchmarks).

What is shame is the R9 285. That was one off, and disappeared.
Even if it has innovative tessellation engine we haven't see since on AMD cards.
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Right :)


gavinh87 said:
I stand corrected. But that's how long ago now??
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The Fury-X was not far behind the 980TI. tho i do agree that was not one of AMD's finest.

Look i do agree AMD was further behind Intel than they are behind nVidia, much much further, they pulled it back against Intel, there is no reason to think they can't do the same against nVidia.
 
humbug said:
Right :)




The Fury-X was not far behind the 980TI. tho i do agree that was not one of AMD's finest.

Look i do agree AMD was further behind Intel than they are behind nVidia, much much further, they pulled it back against Intel, there is no reason to think they can't do the same against nVidia.
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Can they come back? Sure.
Do I see it happening? Nope.
Not with what they've been putting out lately.
Though I hope they do, nvidia, like Intel have been rehashing products due to having no decent competition.
 
gavinh87 said:
Not with what they've been putting out lately.
Though I hope they do, nvidia, like Intel have been rehashing products due to having no decent competition.
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A lot of what has been done as of late is mainly due to most resources being switched to ryzen. You have to remember for some of nvidia's cores they've invested not millions, not tens of millions, but Billions in R&D, amd simply hasn't got that kind of budget to throw around for gpu development as they were mainly focused on ryzen and gpu development according to some stories doing the rounds was scaled back in terms of budget and manpower. With things picking up that will hopefully change in the future.
 
Gerard said:
295x2 was also a beast which made the titan z look like the overpriced piece of crap it was.
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Had one. A mammoth, shame World of Tanks (old engine) had always a fit with it, even on single card mode.
All games that supported either natively or by brute force (aka custom profile) crossfire, it had no par. And got it brand new from OCUK for £700.

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@humbug the FuryX was fine after April 2016 if someone bothered to patch the UEFI bios AMD released on the card.
It lowered the overhead between mobo BIOS and GPU, while it also gave 10% perf boost clock for clock and higher overclocks. Had mine to 1190 core without problem.
Yet then non UEFI bios could struggle go over 1100.
 
It's not like AMD are completely in purgatory with their GPUs though. In terms of pure performance numbers, Vega 56 and Vega 64 are up there, it's just the ridiculous manufacturing costs and overblown power draw that lets it down. True, there is no halo product to touch the 1080 Ti, but I don't see any reason why Navi can't trade blows with Nvidia at the xx70/xx80 range, provided the damn things aren't stupidly expensive power munchers.

How important the lack of a Ti competitor is is up to the individual. For me, I couldn't afford one anyway so it's not too much of an issue, but for some I can see it being a measure of how proficient AMD is with GPU design.

Still, hopefully that Ryzen money will help out. Roll on Q4 2019, let's see what Navi is all about.
 
LePhuronn said:
It's not like AMD are completely in purgatory with their GPUs though. In terms of pure performance numbers, Vega 56 and Vega 64 are up there, it's just the ridiculous manufacturing costs and overblown power draw that lets it down. True, there is no halo product to touch the 1080 Ti, but I don't see any reason why Navi can't trade blows with Nvidia at the xx70/xx80 range, provided the damn things aren't stupidly expensive power munchers.

How important the lack of a Ti competitor is is up to the individual. For me, I couldn't afford one anyway so it's not too much of an issue, but for some I can see it being a measure of how proficient AMD is with GPU design.

Still, hopefully that Ryzen money will help out. Roll on Q4 2019, let's see what Navi is all about.
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There's an article on anandtech about the 4870 after ati at the time had the failure of 2900xt. It shows pretty well that you don't always need a top of the line product to do well. But people are so focused on the absolute top end that its like anything even vaguely beneath that may as well not be released. Just takes them to deliver the cards in a timely manner, and not be a year behind in delivering the same performance as your competitor. Amd are more than capable of this, they just blundered on bulldozer and it had a knock on effect for a time.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2679
 
Without the mining boom, the situation would have been different. AMD could have sold less cards, but also prices could have been significantly lower, which naturally pushes the sales upwards.

More gamers would have been happier with Radeons.
 
Panos said:
What is shame is the R9 285. That was one off, and disappeared.
Even if it has innovative tessellation engine we haven't see since on AMD cards.
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Can you provide a little more info on this, what made gcn 1.2 Tonga's front end so innovative for tesselation, and was this not used when scaling up by x2 for Fiji?
 
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