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AMD on the road to recovery.

RE AMD, they have 5nm coming, they are also making huge gains in server space.

In the past AMD would pull away from Intel, but then Intel would regain lead. The lead AMD has it could be many many years, that Intel catch back up.
 
lets hope it continues, no doubt competition will be tough though and they will need to keep making good gaints because many buy intel even if they are a bit behind. They have loyal customers who have used them for most of their life
 
dave28 said:
lets hope it continues, no doubt competition will be tough though and they will need to keep making good gaints because many buy intel even if they are a bit behind. They have loyal customers who have used them for most of their life
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It's very weird that "many still buy Intel" given that AMD has always been the innovation leader and the smarter choice.
It just proves that our society has very deep ethics/morality problems and lack of basic life-universe understanding of what's right and what's wrong.
Given that Intel has been sued for crimes and has to pay fines for its illegal activities/bribes of some partners.
 
4K8KW10 said:
It's very weird that "many still buy Intel" given that AMD has always been the innovation leader and the smarter choice.
It just proves that our society has very deep ethics/morality problems and lack of basic life-universe understanding of what's right and what's wrong.
Given that Intel has been sued for crimes and has to pay fines for its illegal activities/bribes of some partners.
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Tbf all these companies are the same and all are looking out for their shareholders. I'll just buy what's best for me at the time.
 
People just buy a Laptop or a Desktop Computer, they don't even know what all those different coloured stickers on them mean, if its in budget, looks cool and suits their needs they will buy it.

All Intel really have to do is flood the market, make 18 different variants of the same CPU and stuff them in to far more machines than AMD can.

Look, AMD are selling everything they make and its not enough, if they could make more they would sell more, a lot more.

TSMC know the demand is there, and they are growing their output all the time, but you can't double or triple your capacity over night, massive new buildings have to be built, extremely complex equipment installed.
 
Joxeon said:
Tbf all these companies are the same and all are looking out for their shareholders. I'll just buy what's best for me at the time.
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Besides satisfying the basic shareholders' need, the different companies have different missions and very different approaches - some are relatively loyal to their customers like AMD, while Intel is very hateful with its customers.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Besides satisfying the basic shareholders' need, the different companies have different missions and very different approaches - some are relatively loyal to their customers like AMD, while Intel is very hateful with its customers.
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I wouldn't say AMD are loyal to their customers especially considering how quick they were to wack up prices on their latest CPUs once they had the performance lead and they have abandoned the their traditional budget buyer base on both CPUs and Gpus.

Let's face it even Intel were not greedy enough to charge £300 for a 6 core CPU with the 10600K even though it beat zen 2 at the time by a far larger margin in gaming than the 5600X beats any 10th gen K chip.
 
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4K8KW10 said:
Besides satisfying the basic shareholders' need, the different companies have different missions and very different approaches - some are relatively loyal to their customers like AMD, while Intel is very hateful with its customers.
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In the DIY Space, our space, fam, AMD out sell Intel by multiple factors, you have seen those mindfactory slides AMD are consistently 8X the sales of Intel, AMD sell more of their best selling SKU than Intel sell CPU's.
Amazon best sellers the top 6 CPU's are and have been for a year now consistently Ryzen, the 5900X, 5800X and 5600X are consistently in the top 6 row. you never see any Intel CPU in that row.

The vast majority of those who understand what it is they are looking at chose Ryzen.
 
Joxeon said:
I wouldn't say AMD are loyal to their customers especially considering how quick they were to wack up prices on their latest CPUs once they had the performance lead and they have abandoned the their traditional budget buyer base on both CPUs and Gpus.
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AMD gives longer support for its motherboards - the longevity of AM4 is telling.
AMD gives more cores in lower power envelope for less money.

Intel never does this, maybe except when they launched Core 2 Duo, but after that from Core i7 2600K to Core i7-7700K there was virtually no performance improvement.
 
Still on the up, it may settle down again at some point but it looks like around $100 is the new normal for AMD.

That puts them at a market cap of $120 to $130 Billion, today Intel are at $215 Billion.

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I almost forgot... if the Xilinx buyout goes ahead it will merge with AMD, Xilinx shares and value will be added to AMD (A Borg joke in there probably) and with that AMD's market cap will jump to about $150 to $170 Billion.
 
4K8KW10 said:
AMD gives longer support for its motherboards - the longevity of AM4 is telling.
AMD gives more cores in lower power envelope for less money.

Intel never does this, maybe except when they launched Core 2 Duo, but after that from Core i7 2600K to Core i7-7700K there was virtually no performance improvement.
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AMD tried to cut support for 400 series boards with the aim of making those users have to buy new boards even though they were using the same socket And only back pedalled after a backlash.

It does have better performance per watt currently thanks to TSMCs fabs.

Intel got lost trying to get onto 10nm and allowed AMD to overtake but if anything AMD has given them the kick up the backside they needed and I'm sure they will come back strongly in the not to distant future.
 
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AMD tried to cut support for 400 series boards with the aim of making those users have to buy new boards even though they were using the same socket And only back pedalled after a backlash.

It does have better performance per watt currently thanks to TSMCs fabs.

Intel got lost trying to get onto 10nm and allowed AMD to overtake but if anything AMD has given them the kick up the backside they needed and I'm sure they will come back strongly in the not to distant future.
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Intel made a marketing spiel about their 10nm being better than TSMC 7nm, so is it just their X86 architecture that's bad?

PS: Intel are renaming all their nodes to fall in line with how they think they compare to TSMC.

PS2: AMD's 14nm chips also used half the power of Intel's 14nm.
 
humbug said:
Intel made a marketing spiel about their 10nm being better than TSMC 7nm, so is it just their X86 architecture that's bad?

PS: Intel are renaming all their nodes to fall in line with how they think they compare to TSMC.

PS2: AMD's 14nm chips also used half the power of Intel's 14nm.
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I don't think the average person cares much about power consumption though else no one would have brought ampere etc.
 
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