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AMD on the road to recovery.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Isn't Tesla using AMD CPUs and GPUs now?? A lot of airliners and military Airlifters such as the A400M use AMD based cockpit display control systems.
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Yes.... https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/1/22462660/amd-tesla-model-x-s-plaid-ryzen-radeon-rdna-2

Elon Musk is a gamer and wants a PS5 type machine in his Tesla.

You're also right, AMD have been making SoC's for Aviation and Medical Equipment for some years now, a couple of decades.

Samsung's new high end line of Exynos SoC's have RDNA2 graphics, they will be used in the latest line of Phones and Tablets.
 
humbug said:
Yes.... https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/1/22462660/amd-tesla-model-x-s-plaid-ryzen-radeon-rdna-2

Elon Musk is a gamer and wants a PS5 type machine in his Tesla.

You're also right, AMD have been making SoC's for Aviation and Medical Equipment for some years now, a couple of decades.

Samsung's new high end line of Exynos SoC's have RDNA2 graphics, they will be used in the latest line of Phones and Tablets.
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They have a long history in embedded systems even before they properly entered the PC market!
 
4K8KW10 said:
The large retailers for the DIY market all show AMD CPUs as the top bestsellers.

Steam is irrelevant, it includes all types of systems, I guess Pentium 4 and Core 2 Quad, too.


Steam Hardware & Software Survey (steampowered.com)
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They do.... consistently it looks like this:

#1 5600X
#2 5800X
#3 5900X

Some of Intel's <$200 CPU's make it in to the top 10 but almost never Alder Lake.

Given how long ADL has been out and now that we have cheap B660 boards that is surprising, they are better CPU's than those ^^^^

At the same time i'm not really that concerned about it, Intel still has the power to crush AMD in ways that are nothing to do with competition, for as long as AMD are vulnerable to Intel in this way we don't have real competition, AMD needs to get to a size where if Intel punch AMD can punch right back and give them a bloody nose.
 
I don't think Valve will even include the deck in the stats as they are all the same hardware/software wise, so is pointless to the metrics.

Not that the metrics are that reliable anyway mainly due to how they are gathered.
 
humbug said:
How many do you think they will sell?
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My upper estimate is in the range of 500k-800k units in the first year and it will then settle down to a number below that range.

I may be wrong and that they can carve out more than a niche but I think this format, particularly Linux based is going to take some time to get going. I really don’t see this getting into console level shipments for the entire segment including non-steam devices which are similar.


CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Isn't Tesla using AMD CPUs and GPUs now?? A lot of airliners and military Airlifters such as the A400M use AMD based cockpit display control systems.
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They do as of this month but the last few years have been Intel atom processors.


humbug said:
They do.... consistently it looks like this:

#1 5600X
#2 5800X
#3 5900X

Some of Intel's <$200 CPU's make it in to the top 10 but almost never Alder Lake.

Given how long ADL has been out and now that we have cheap B660 boards that is surprising, they are better CPU's than those ^^^^

At the same time i'm not really that concerned about it, Intel still has the power to crush AMD in ways that are nothing to do with competition, for as long as AMD are vulnerable to Intel in this way we don't have real competition, AMD needs to get to a size where if Intel punch AMD can punch right back and give them a bloody nose.
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It’s silly talk like AMD punching Intel or Intel crushing AMD is why only a few people actually engage with these threads.

What would be better for everyone is if neither party got more than around 60% of the x86 market by revenue and profit.

Why I hear you ask? Well I’m old enough to remember a time when AMD was on top and set the premium prices. They are not some kind of benevolent company that wants to give gamers good products at low prices.

They are not your friend, they want to extract as much money as they possible can from you, that is their aim and they behave very similarly to Intel in that regard. Both companies are not afraid to play dirty.

What is good is both companies being competitive with each other, that tends to bring us the customers better products.

That said they both need to note of technologies that are not X86, Arm and RiscV could undermine both of their core user bases in time.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s silly talk like AMD punching Intel or Intel crushing AMD is why only a few people actually engage with these threads.

What would be better for everyone is if neither party got more than around 60% of the x86 market by revenue and profit.

Why I hear you ask? Well I’m old enough to remember a time when AMD was on top and set the premium prices. They are not some kind of benevolent company that wants to give gamers good products at low prices.

They are not your friend, they want to extract as much money as they possible can from you, that is their aim and they behave very similarly to Intel in that regard. Both companies are not afraid to play dirty.

What is good is both companies being competitive with each other, that tends to bring us the customers better products.

That said they both need to note of technologies that are not X86, Arm and RiscV could undermine both of their core user bases in time.
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I definitely agree that they are kind of not our friends but AMD is a more fairplay and pro-competition-driven business, while Intel behaves like a devil and the greatest evil. Wants the whole monopoly only for itself, something that was denied multiple times by the world's courts and IBM..

 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I may be wrong and that they can carve out more than a niche but I think this format, particularly Linux based is going to take some time to get going. I really don’t see this getting into console level shipments for the entire segment.
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I agree , Unless valve can get the big devs to support the deck like they do current consoles it will never sell to the masses
 
humbug said:
@b0rn2sk8

Valve put 110,000 of them up for pre-order, they sold out in under 2 hours.

i think they will sell them as fast as they can make them, 5 Million in the first year.
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I hate to be pedantic but they didn’t sell 100,00 units in 2 hours. The sold 100,000 reservation slots for £1.

That’s like trying to say Tesla have sold 1 million cyber trucks. They haven’t, they have 1 million $100 reservations or some draft number like that.

What actually happens when push comes to shove and people have to handover £400-£550 for their chosen SKU.

5 million is massively ambitious imo, I originally typed 1 million before lowing it when I actually posted. You need to remember that those 100k pre orders were slipping into Q3 2022 so that’s 6 months of deliveries.

pete910 said:
I agree , Unless valve can get the big devs to support the deck like they do current consoles it will never sell to the masses
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spot on and we already know the software isn’t ready. Steve from Gamers Nexus said his unit was getting daily updates which indicates a massive all hands on deck crunch within Valve at the moment to get the thing ready.

Like is said, I’m not a hater, I have a reservation and I’m 70% in favour of going through with it.
 
humbug said:
As off December 2021 XBox Series X / S and PS5 sales stood at 45 Million, add that to 51 Million XBox One sales and 117 Million PS4 sales for a total of 213 Million AMD powered devices that are also not included.
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Get your pitchforks out PC Gamers!

Them there consoles is why we cannot get Zen3 or RDNA2 at MSRP. Why couldn't the console peasant stick with 14nm!?

Does any one have an idea of the PS5/Xbox X/S split? Of course, in terms of estimating the total 7nm wafers used we only know their die size and some rumours that PS5 yields were bad.
 
KompuKare said:
Get your pitchforks out PC Gamers!

Them there consoles is why we cannot get Zen3 or RDNA2 at MSRP. Why couldn't the console peasant stick with 14nm!?

Does any one have an idea of the PS5/Xbox X/S split? Of course, in terms of estimating the total 7nm wafers used we only know their die size and some rumours that PS5 yields were bad.
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Speaking of which, I wonder how many sales (ratio 3 to 1 or 2 to 1, or 4 to 1) AMD loses by simply keeping the MSRP at at least 170% the normal MSRP..
 
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