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AMD on the road to recovery.
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Is there much good news from Intel these days?
Hyper threaded i5's
Too late Intel, that ship is long gone.
Mizuho Securities are right, what Intel are doing is paying for software development provided they buy Intel chips, Software development can often cost more than the hardware in which case Intel would be 'by proxy' giving their CPU's away.
About 90% of the history between Intel and AMD is missing from that, what is there is wrong.
Basically the crux of what he is saying is; AMD lost the X86 licence in 1985 and have been trying to catch up with Intel ever since, that is utter rubbish.
FIREFOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So AMD up the core count massively in the mainstream and you hate on them because their entry level mainstream £175 CPU 'only' has 6 cores, with SMT!
Have you looked at the crap Intel are still flogging in the sub £200 bracket lately? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/processors/intel/core-i5
look at this 4/4 junk for £150 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/intel-core-i3-8300-3.7ghz-coffee-lake-socket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-64s-in.html
What £150 use is that ^^^ to anyone? That's a £99 CPU.
The reality is Intel couldn't care less about what you or i think about the products you and i buy, the bulk of their business comes from data centre and OEM, they are still ahead of AMD in mobile because for some inexplicable reason AMD aren't executing Zen 2 + Navi already.
In the Data centre Intel are lagging behind AMD, look at TR3 vs Icelake, that's basically the situation in the data centre, much higher core dencity, better per core performance, better power consumption, right now that's where Intel are putting everything they have into stopping AMD running away with what is Intel's core and most important business because if they aint out there begging, manipulating, cheating that sector into staying with Intel thier revenues fall off a cliff and AMD find themselves suddenly swimming in what was Intel's money mountains.
What i was surprised to see is just how quickly games started using high levels of Multithreading pretty soon after AMD dropped the 8 core mainstream on us, new consoles will get 8 core 16 thread Zen 2, no, i'm not expecting my 3600 to be good on a higher end GPU for more than another two years, i'm ok with that, the good thing about sticking to around £200 ish CPU's i can get a brand new one every two years, i cycle GPU > CPU + stuff > GPU > CPU + stuff... but this time the 1070 is proving a tough nut to crack, its over due an upgrade but i'm just not tempted by anything just yet.
Unfortunately AMD and marketing don't mix well, they are far better at doing than talking, with Intel it clearly looks like its the other way round.
I don't know about 30 to 40%, that to me seems extreme, i have never seen anyone make claims Zen 1 being 30 to 40% behind, that's like Bulldozer performance and i don't trust it, its a massive outliar compared to the rest of the internet. That seems deliberately at odds with the rest for click bait.
Lets take 6 of the main reviewers
Jayz2cents, Hardware Unboxed and TPU are in the overall 95% of Coffeelake performance range, GN, Linus and Toms are in the 90% range, GN with some of his are at about 85%
I think those 6 are all right. It also depends on how you test them, Hardware Unboxed and JayZ use better quality RAM than GN and Toms.
Then theres the games, if you're only testing a few games and they are all like Farcry 5 / Newdawn is to Ryzen, like what Steve from GN does, then you would think its about 85% of coffeelake, if like Hardware Unboxed you have a much broader pallet of game, like 37 including FC5 then overall it is around 95% as Ryzen 3 really only lags behind in about 4 or so games out of 10 times that many.
You can make a case one way or the other in what you as a reviewer do with it, i feel like Steve prefers to air on the side of "still has a some catching up to do" where as Steve from Hardware Unboxed is more like "heres just about every sort of game you're likley to use it for and this is the result"
Digital Foundry - <40%? no, i don't buy that.
Actually you know what let me put it this way.
I tested my own 3600 against Toms Hardwares result in FC5, its a canned benchmark, not much you can do to it....
So Toms said 82 FPS for the 3600, at stock with XMP 3000 CL16 i got 86, meh... margin of error but still that looks a little low to me.
So i set my Ram to 3333Mhz and tuned the timings a little to make it more like it would be with Ryzen 3000 rated 3200Mhz B-Die
I ended up with 94 FPS, and that with the GPU topping out at the end.
So you see how easy it is to say one thing, or another about its performance.
Use crap RAM with lose timings... use the box cooler and bingo! a true measure of its performance, but also not necessarily representative.
Yes to remove the GPU bottleneck.
AMD: Our Goal is to Get 10% Server Share by Q2 2020 with 2nd Gen EPYC CPUs & to Surpass Historical Levels in Both Server & Desktop Segments
"AMD acknowledges that while their current server market share is about 7%, it's their goal over time to get back to the historical market share levels of 26% that they once had with their older Opteron server processors. But before they reach that, they have to set smaller yet still significant targets. Their current goal is to get to a double-digit (10%) server market share by Q2 2020 and we are already a few weeks away from Q1 2020."
https://wccftech.com/amd-goal-historical-cpu-market-share-server-desktop-notebook-segments/
Why does that chart stop right on Ryzen launch?
Market cap $48bn, a few years ago AMD was valued at less than $3bn.
AMD hits $44 on target hike to $51.50.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/35278...ium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha#email_link
https://seekingalpha.com/news/35278...ium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha#email_link
At $3 their future was uncertain. At the $10+ their recovery was really starting to show through if I remember correctly.
I'm expecting a pullback at some point but think it'll just a correction. AMD are untouchable for now (vs Intel) but the valuation is really out there! Worth keeping an eye on the £ to $ situation. May Boris have many bad Brexit related days for now
I don't get this will for him to fail, its done now, no one can stop him. I wish him and there-in 'US' all the best in our new adventures, it is what it is, let us at least try.
Not exactly, this time.... Intel are selling chips at full price, but with the promise of cash back later, this to keep the books looking good, like there is nothing wrong and AMD are not affecting Intel's sales, its like a Ponzi Scheme, i sell person A a CPU for £100 and put that on the books but promise to give person A £80 back later, i sell person B another CPU for £100 and promise to give them £80 back later and also put it on the books, i give person A £80 of that, i sell person C a CPU for £100................................................
AMD know this, and they know what they need to do is keep up the presure, keep forcing Intel to give their money and CPU's away, eventually that cashback debt will catch up with them, and then Intel will be in the crapper.