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Make Zen 4 a bit cheaper.

Don't see the point until DDR5 drops down and the motherboards become a bit cheaper.

Issue for Zen 4 is total platform cost makes the 7600X and the 7700X a bit pointless even at their current price points.

Once platform costs lower then AMD can either cut pricing a bit or come out with a 7600 / 7700 and maybe even some lower tier parts.
 
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The motherboards are the problem, the Hero has gone up £400 since I got my X370 Hero(£250), the X570 was ~£350 so a £300 jump in one gen!
I suspect some added cost but also they know they will last a long time, with multiple generations of CPU, and are cashing in up front to make up for fewer sales.
 
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The motherboards are the problem, the Hero has gone up £400 since I got my X370 Hero(£250), the X570 was ~£350 so a £300 jump in one gen!

Not taking it off topic too much, as for the new enthusiast platform the board costs maybe the issue, but the greater problem is that the entire PC market is in the toilet for 2022.
The toll of the pandemic spending in tech, along with inflation and shortages are having a massive effect on the demand for products.
 
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It's a quarter before a major release as well, some lower demand is to be expected, perhaps more than they anticipated.

DDR5 isn't expensive anymore, it is the same cost that DDR4 was this time last year on a GB for GB basis, using the correct $ pricing.

Not quite. Two years ago (in time for Zen 3) DDR4 was ~$5 per GB for 3600/CL16 (sweet spot for Zen 3) and ~$3 for low end modules. DDR5 is currently about 25-30% more expensive than that for the low end, and about 50% more expensive for the sweet spot.
 
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Not quite. Two years ago (in time for Zen 3) DDR4 was ~$5 per GB for 3600/CL16 (sweet spot for Zen 3) and ~$3 for low end modules. DDR5 is currently about 25-30% more expensive than that for the low end, and about 50% more expensive for the sweet spot.

$150 at retail for 5600MT/s 32GB (2x 16GB) with Hynix IC's that will do 6400-7000MT/s - same price as 3600MT/s DDR4 was last year.
 
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DDR5 isn't expensive anymore, it is the same cost that DDR4 was this time last year on a GB for GB basis, using the correct $ pricing.

So it is 2x more then in real terms, at best.

When people were building DDR4 rigs on budget they would opt for 16GB of ram because that was enough for their use case.

Now we are talking buying 32GB which is probably sensible given the performance hit you can see with 16GB kits but until 32GB of DDR5 is ~= to 16GB of DDR4 at a similar relative tier it is the more expensive option for a budget build.
 
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Make zen4 25% cheaper and make the motherboards 50% cheaper then they are onto a winner. At this rate they can moan about lacklustre PC build market or whatever but no one has spare £1000 to drop on a simple 8c CPU and a PCIE5 enabled motherboard with a set of 32GB DDR5.

Feel like this threads title should be AMD on the road to suicidal death
 
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