AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

humbug · 16 Apr 2016 at 14:07

And a new Xbox and PlayStation as well as the new Nintendo, it's the full works again.

Orangey · 16 Apr 2016 at 15:57

KompuKare said:
Getting those contracts menas that all three consoles will have GCN APUs, and hence most big games should be heavily GCN optimised.

When will people stop saying this? It hasn't done **** for them.

Mtom · 16 Apr 2016 at 16:08

Orangey said:
When will people stop saying this? It hasn't done **** for them.

Did you sleep through the last few game releases?

queamin · 16 Apr 2016 at 16:31

Orangey said:
When will people stop saying this? It hasn't done **** for them.

I think it has, as it is harder for Nvidia to push their Gamesworks as much, as a lot of dev's are lazy at heart or either the bean counters have told them to spend as little time as possible and as consoles are the lead platform they will port over a lot of games with hardly any effort.

LoadsaMoney · 16 Apr 2016 at 17:39

Won't change anything, otherwise it would have changed when the PS4/XBONE came out, but it hasn't, we've still got game after game after game on the PC a Nvidia GameWorks, and i can't see that changing, as they have over 80% of the PC market.

N19h7m4r3 · 16 Apr 2016 at 17:42

LoadsaMoney said:
Won't change anything, otherwise it would have changed when the PS4/XBONE came out, but it hasn't, we've still got game after game after game on the PC a Nvidia GameWorks, and i can't see that changing, as they have over 80% of the PC market.

I think one of the main reason Gameworks shows up as much as it does it because of it's Ad Hoc nature that's easy to implement.

Cheap/bad Dev
Dev1: Oh snap, our console parity is too obvious PC gamers will be livid.
Dev2: Good thing we can add "advanced" graphics and effects with gameworks; that way it looks different enough, and better enough so they aren't as angry.

LoadsaMoney · 16 Apr 2016 at 17:45

Also, with Nvidia opening it up now, it'll get even more used

N19h7m4r3 · 16 Apr 2016 at 17:49

LoadsaMoney said:
Also, with Nvidia opening it up now, it'll get even more used

That's not too bad, though. I do hope it gets more and more open; to the point eventually devs can play with the source code and create their own tech with it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Apr 2016 at 17:53

LoadsaMoney said:
Won't change anything, otherwise it would have changed when the PS4/XBONE came out, but it hasn't, we've still got game after game after game on the PC a Nvidia GameWorks, and i can't see that changing, as they have over 80% of the PC market.

Not really helping this year with the DX12 and DX11 games and Gameworks titles like The Division or why people like Ubisoft have ditched years of being with Nvidia now to get into bed with AMD.

Dat' Gameworks effect.

Those who keep pushing Gameworks are now conveniently ignoring that the last 4 to 5 months of this year,but at the same time were basing their doom and gloom on like 10 to 12 months of titles.

Also,it is not 80% of the market - that is the shipped figures in the last year or so including laptops where AMD is hardly present. The vast majority of AMD GPUs they still have in laptops are ancient and predate the GK107. Even Tonga seemed more an Apple part.

LoadsaMoney said:
Also, with Nvidia opening it up now, it'll get even more used

That is why in The Division the AMD cards are doing quite well!

Also people get over excited with Gameworks - it is PhysX rebranded for a new generation. Even when AMD had like 40% of shipped cards,PhysX was used in the same Gameworks was used as a advertising point.

It didn't really do much in cases where AMD or ATI were competitive in both laptops and desktops.

SimBy · 16 Apr 2016 at 17:58

LoadsaMoney said:
Won't change anything, otherwise it would have changed when the PS4/XBONE came out, but it hasn't, we've still got game after game after game on the PC a Nvidia GameWorks, and i can't see that changing, as they have over 80% of the PC market.

I thought it's install base that matters, not recent sales data

JediFragger · 16 Apr 2016 at 18:08

SimBy said:
I thought it's install base that matters, not recent sales data

Yeah!! Ffs go back more than 2 years to see the *real* trend going on Loads!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Apr 2016 at 18:15

JediFragger said:
Yeah!! Ffs go back more than 2 years to see the *real* trend going on Loads!

Nobody can deny Nvidia has more marketshare than AMD,but ATM all the doom and gloom about PhysX V2 is hilarious since the same doom and gloomers ignore all the crap Gameworks titles which were withdrawn or ran terribad on Nvidia cards(midrange users like me with a GTX960 get screwed over even more) or the ones on AMD cards which seem to actually run fine.

It also seems that since RTG has been formed there seems to be a sudden increase in all these games suddenly doing quite decently on AMD cards - look at the other thread where some here were in shock how an R9 290X was doing against in the GTX980TI in one game and tried to paint it as an AMD conspiracy.

Plus,they also ignore situations like the ATI 8000 series,HD2000 and HD3000 series where Nvidia pummelled ATI/AMD,and then we had the ATI 9700,HD4000 and HD5000 series which did the same to Nvidia. ATI/AMD were in a worse situation during the HD2000/HD3000 series times due to the problems with their fabs.

You have massive companies like Boeing and Airbus commerical and military using AMD chips in critical systems,and so on. These companies obviously don't seem anywhere as panicked as some forum members.

It seems a lot of doom and gloomers have a very bad memory of how things have been in the last 12 to 14 years of graphics.

SimBy · 16 Apr 2016 at 18:38

JediFragger said:
Yeah!! Ffs go back more than 2 years to see the *real* trend going on Loads!

Calm down buddy didn't mean to upset you.

But really its quite irrelevant what PC market share either one has. If anything, the less market share AMD has the bigger the advantage in recent benchmarks

JediFragger · 16 Apr 2016 at 19:11

Sorry Simby, it was a bit of a sarcastic comment mainly aimed at Loads as I knew he'd appreciate it

Not upset, just messing about

LoadsaMoney · 16 Apr 2016 at 19:56

JediFragger said:
Sorry Simby, it was a bit of a sarcastic comment mainly aimed at Loads as I knew he'd appreciate it

Not upset, just messing about

Ian Evey · 16 Apr 2016 at 20:44

SimBy said:
Calm down buddy didn't mean to upset you.

But really its quite irrelevant what PC market share either one has. If anything, the less market share AMD has the bigger the advantage in recent benchmarks

Nooooo Amd need the money which comes with market share, and I hope it's at least 50/50 by this time next year.

Boomstick777 · 16 Apr 2016 at 22:43

Ian Evey said:
Nooooo Amd need the money which comes with market share, and I hope it's at least 50/50 by this time next year.

Lol, that's a dream mate. AMD need to work hard just to get back to 30% / 40% market share within a year.

AMD have done what they set out to do though, and that was to generate income from areas other than just traditional desktop PC. All these console wins are a boon to them. Console sales have been really good this gen so it's only good for AMD. I believe if they can get the next launch of desktop PC GPU's right, they could get back to 35% market share in a year+. They would have to be very very good though. That aside it looks like AMD will make some noise in the desktop CPU space with Zen and also the server side, so things are def on the up and up.

Mauller · 16 Apr 2016 at 22:52

Besides the extra packaging steps of HBM based parts. AMD should improve their running costs by going GloFO only (and samsung when needed) for all of their products this round.

JediFragger · 16 Apr 2016 at 22:56

Boomstick777 said:
Lol, that's a dream mate. AMD need to work hard just to get back to 30% / 40% market share within a year.

AMD have done what they set out to do though, and that was to generate income from areas other than just traditional desktop PC. All these console wins are a boon to them. Console sales have been really good this gen so it's only good for AMD. I believe if they can get the next launch of desktop PC GPU's right, they could get back to 35% market share in a year+. They would have to be very very good though. That aside it looks like AMD will make some noise in the desktop CPU space with Zen and also the server side, so things are def on the up and up.

+1

AMD seem to have a very good foundation to build on for the next 2/3 years. I think they'll get there, but will obviously take a wee while

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Apr 2016 at 23:11

According to a poster over on AT forums,it seems on Benchlife,a Chinese website,it has been mentioned that Polaris 10 will be called the R9 480,have a 130W TDP and similar performance to a Fury X?

Edit!!

Ignore,it was based on an article we have seen before.