AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

[melmac]

Again, they use vague phrases like "enthusiast". Lots of hype is building, and no tamping down of that fire from AMD. When Polaris turns up and isn't Vega levels of performance, there will be a backlash.

lol, what are you talking about? What hype? There is lots of excitement about these new mid range cards from AMD and NVidia because they are the first been released in years on a new node (die shrink)

It's been known for ages that the first cards are mainstream.

 

[Boomstick777]

^^

Yeah, all I want is something with better than my Nano performance but lower power consumption, cooler / quieter etc. Passive would be even better

 

[karik666]

In the 2014 to 2015 desktop roadmap,the mainstream amd cards were the

R7 265,260x and 260.

So are the poloris 10 and 11 replacing the low end cards or am i being stupid.

http://videocardz.com/59248/amd-officially-confirms-polaris-10-and-polaris-11-market-positioning

 

[muziqaz]

In the 2014 to 2015 desktop roadmap,the mainstream amd cards were the

R7 265,260x and 260.

So are the poloris 10 and 11 replacing the low end cards or am i being stupid.

http://videocardz.com/59248/amd-officially-confirms-polaris-10-and-polaris-11-market-positioning

You guys over analysing what they say and what was in the past. What is performance segment today will be low end tomorrow. If AMD is saying they want to slot polaris 10 in mainstream that most likely means mid range today cards will be replaced by faster cards which will be new mid range. Polaris 11 is completely different market segment aimed at low power(watt)/notebooks.
We saw Polaris 10 running Hitman at decent fps and 1440p, so it is safe to say it will not be low end card.

 

[old gamer]

^^

Yeah, all I want is something with better than my Nano performance but lower power consumption, cooler / quieter etc. Passive would be even better

yep and 8gb of memory and im happy

 

[muziqaz]

I think AMD needs to start selling VRAM separately for certain people just that they can sleep at night calmly thinking that they have enough 8GB VRAM at home!!!

 

[Overlag]

Match a 390? That would be a huge disappointment

I cant wait... Every day i nearly buy a 390.

 

[erazor51]

I cant wait... Every day i nearly buy a 390.

Not too long left, patience will pay off

 

[bru]

One of the thing that probably doesn't help the whole situation is what we all call mainstream and what NVidia/AMD call mainstream are probably completely different.

Reading the graphics card section it would be easy to think that 390/x 970/980 are what we would consider mainstream, but I reckon that AMD/NVidia would class those as enthusiast cards. mainstream to them is probably 380 960, 370 950 area.

 

[AlamoX]

One of the thing that probably doesn't help the whole situation is what we all call mainstream and what NVidia/AMD call mainstream are probably completely different.

Reading the graphics card section it would be easy to think that 390/x 970/980 are what we would consider mainstream, but I reckon that AMD/NVidia would class those as enthusiast cards. mainstream to them is probably 380 960, 370 950 area.

not really, mainstream is not what you and i decide it to be, it's the sales reports, there are price walls where products volume sales changes dramaticaly.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Aren't the mainstream cards from AMD the 290/390s ?, and its those that are getting replaced by the Polaris 10s, they'll be around the same performance, but cheaper, the Furys are the Enthusiasts, but they don't get replaced until sometime next year, with Vega, Polaris 11 is lower than the 10, so thats probably the 2/380.

 

[queamin]

Main stream is 200 and under I thought.

 

[DM8104]

290x's were going for about £200 at the end of their shelf life, so I would find it quite disappointing if Polaris 10 cards were the same performance and price. I mean, what would be the point? It would feel like a con in my opinion.

 

[Seanspeed]

290x's were going for about £200 at the end of their shelf life, so I would find it quite disappointing if Polaris 10 cards were the same performance and price. I mean, what would be the point? It would feel like a con in my opinion.

Those £200 290X's weren't exactly official prices, though. It was retailer discount. And they were absolute bargains, seeing as the 300 series replacements were just the same cards with a clock boost and more vRAM. Anybody who got(or gets) a 290X for that price is getting a fantastic deal, even by today's standards.

So I think it's a bit unfair to completely judge based on that. Regular 390's right now generally start at around £250-260 for the 'budget' 3rd party cards.

I do agree it wouldn't exactly be pushing things on significantly, though.

 

[D.P.]

290x's were going for about £200 at the end of their shelf life, so I would find it quite disappointing if Polaris 10 cards were the same performance and price. I mean, what would be the point? It would feel like a con in my opinion.

290x's were sold off cheap because AMD had an overstocked channel and were try to release a re-branded 290X so had to clear most of the old inventory fast.

I haven't heard of any rumours of AMD cutting 390X production yet, not that is means much. But 390X prices will be dictated by channel stock. It cudl well eb the case you could buy an AMD card faster than the Polaris 10 for less cash, just having a bigger hotter card in your case.

 

[flopper]

Main stream is 200 and under I thought.

250$ and under.
that account for 70% or so of gpu owners.
The rest goes into midrange the 390 which was 350$ and up.

I suspect Polaris offers a little different price/performance ratio so maybe they offer a 200$ Polaris with the upcoming serie.That would be a slam dunk card to buy for anyone with 370/380/960/970.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looking at the Pascal thread Nvidia looks like they will hit 1.9GHZ with their new cards for boost clocks. Its a bit worrying all the leaks we have seen about Polaris seem to be between 800MHZ to 1GHZ or thereabouts.

 

[Seanspeed]

250$ and under.
that account for 70% or so of gpu owners.
The rest goes into midrange the 390 which was 350$ and up.

I suspect Polaris offers a little different price/performance ratio so maybe they offer a 200$ Polaris with the upcoming serie.That would be a slam dunk card to buy for anyone with 370/380/960/970.

I'd say this will be better for people with 7870's and 670's and whatnot. People who buy mainstream cards usually aren't the type to upgrade every year or two. And they'll also want to see a significant improvement. For somebody with a 970, Polaris 10, even at £150, probably wont be all that appealing. And others with 300/900 cards will probably just stick with what they have for a while.

 

[Seanspeed]

Looking at the Pascal thread Nvidia looks like they will hit 1.9GHZ with their new cards for boost clocks. Its a bit worrying all the leaks we have seen about Polaris seem to be between 800MHZ to 1GHZ or thereabouts.

They could be underclocking them a bit in order to achieve maximum performance per watt for their marketing claims.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

They could be underclocking them a bit in order to achieve maximum performance per watt for their marketing claims.

Thats the thing - from what we have seen P10 probably has 2560 shaders at least and if they are running at around 1GHZ with the uarch improvements,I can see why it might be around R9 390/390X level performance.

But if AMD could clock the cores higher,ie,like 1.3GHZ to 1.4GHZ that would be a different kettle of fish. That would be more like GTX980TI level performance. I wonder if that is why we have not seen Polaris released yet??