AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

flopper · 13 May 2016 at 11:42

mahius said:
Gah beat me to it.

I guess this whole Polaris 10 Pro and Polaris 10 XT seems likely, but I'm stil very skeptical about the performance of the pricier one being closer to 980ti/FuryX/1070. The pricing difference between the 380 and 380X (at each of their launches) was only about $30 (more in GBP though). Even if one costs $100 more than the other, I still think it's unlikely that one will perform at 390/970 levels and the other at 980ti/Fury X levels. More likely the 2nd will be 390x/980 levels of performance if there will be a 480X.

AMD's Launch event/Computex can't come sooner enough.

Might be the pro version they tested with low clocks.
they done that before.
then presented the XT later.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 May 2016 at 11:56

I still think R9 390 to Fury level performance but cheaper with shorter cards and less power consumption.

We only need to look at the information we know - a few weeks ago:

http://i.imgur.com/ARzlCdp.jpg

So the Polaris 10 shows 50W more power consumption at the wall than the Polaris 11 system.

Now even if Polaris 11 were GTX950 level performance and Polaris 10 double that performance,you would be getting R9 390X level performance at 1080P:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_950/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

Lokken86 · 13 May 2016 at 12:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I still think R9 390 to Fury level performance but cheaper with shorter cards and less power consumption.

We only need to look at the information we know - a few weeks ago:

http://i.imgur.com/ARzlCdp.jpg

So the Polaris 10 shows 50W more power consumption at the wall than the Polaris 11 system.

Now even if Polaris 11 were GTX950 level performance and Polaris 10 double that performance,you would be getting R9 390X level performance at 1080P:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_950/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

+1 290/390 and under performance has been done now 3 years. Time for something with more kick I would imagine.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 May 2016 at 12:04

Lokken86 said:
+1 290/390 and under performance has been done now 3 years. Time for something with more kick I would imagine.

It depends where they price it up - if its £175 to £200 and replaces the R9 380X,it would be a big performance jump for people like me. At £250 it is more like a R9 290 to GTX970 sidegrade when the latter was released.

But I am also assuming AMD does not release a GDDR5X version - the editor at that Italian site know for reasonably accurate leaks made a hint about GDDR5X on the SA forums. OTH,I assume it will be expensive so not sure if it would fit the value moniker for the range.

We will hopefully get more information at the end of May,providing it is not the AM4 launch only.

Steampunk · 13 May 2016 at 12:10

I think the problem AMD will have is that a lot of people already on 290/390 will look at P10 as being not much more than what we've already got. We'll be waiting for Vega, same as we waited for Fury. The problem with Fury is that the price was a massive jump from 290/390, so I think a lot of people just stuck with what they had rather than upgrading, waiting for the 14nm products to arrive.

Now we're in the situation of not even being able to see the whole product stack at once, waiting on Vega to see if it offers an actual increase in performance, rather than just the same as 290/390 at a lower price. If people have to wait for Vega to get a sensible upgrade, but it's priced madly high, then I think people will just keep sticking with what they've got until prices come down some more. We've already waited for 14nm, waited for Polaris, waiting for Vega, and it's all getting a bit anti-climactic now.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 May 2016 at 12:15

It depends,say if Polaris 10 was an R9 390X in a smaller form factor,ie, a cheaper Fury Nano of sorts,they can't really afford to price it too highly - even if AMD priced it at £250(which would be a bit too much IMHO),that still leaves a big hole in their lineup.

So if Polaris 10 is not too expensive,by extension Vega cannot be as they need to have SKUs to address the market between £250 to £400,ie,where the GTX1070 is.

However,ATI did leave the high end during the HD3000 series times,and still managed to have more marketshare in sales,than AMD does now. The HD3870 couldn't beat the fourth fastest Nvidia card at the time,ie,the 8800GT convincingly too.

Mtom · 13 May 2016 at 12:25

Just saying before upcoming frustration, AIBs can show off cards at Computex, but the real thing will be at E3 as i heard.

Seanspeed · 13 May 2016 at 12:37

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
AMD debunks recent negative rumours:

http://www.eteknix.com/amd-debunks-recent-negative-rumours/

While I'm not saying I believe in any of the rumors at all, this is not 'debunking' them, this is AMD denying them, which of course they would.

Seanspeed · 13 May 2016 at 12:38

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So if Polaris 10 is not too expensive,by extension Vega cannot be as they need to have SKUs to address the market between £250 to £400,ie,where the GTX1070 is.

Fiji

They could also introduce a 'smaller' Vega.

Nutella33 · 13 May 2016 at 12:43

Seanspeed said:
Fiji

They could also introduce a 'smaller' Vega.

Imagine it would be a cut down vega. Fiji is a big old expensive chip to produce no?

bru · 13 May 2016 at 12:47

Mauller said:
My friends, girlfriends, cousins, uncle second removeds, dogs, hairdressers pet cat heard a rumour that 3DFX is coming back and being spun off from Nvidia. They will be taking up the low end and portable gpu market while nvidia differentiate into the car and server market. But I wouldn't trust that cat.

And in other news http://www.eteknix.com/amd-debunks-recent-negative-rumours/

Gregster said:
That's weird, as I was down the pub and sat there minding my own business when 2 guys wearing NVidia shirts said that Pascal could be powered by a potato and they had finally invented a Portal gun (whatever one of those is). In my haste to get back and spread this news, I bumped into Dot Cotton who had some juicy gossip and I completely forgot about the NV guys but I did let Dot cook me breakfast in the morning

You can jest all you like, it is a case of I have a friend who works in the business, that I can ask for info on future products, the fact that I only see him when down the pub is irrelevant.
If what he tells me turns out to be correct, then as far as I am concerned he becomes a good source of info. So far he has told me two things, one of which was correct, I will see what happens next.

humbug · 13 May 2016 at 13:07

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I still think R9 390 to Fury level performance but cheaper with shorter cards and less power consumption.

We only need to look at the information we know - a few weeks ago:

http://i.imgur.com/ARzlCdp.jpg

So the Polaris 10 shows 50W more power consumption at the wall than the Polaris 11 system.

Now even if Polaris 11 were GTX950 level performance and Polaris 10 double that performance,you would be getting R9 390X level performance at 1080P:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_950/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

Does it work like that?

290X is 30% faster than a 280X at the same power consumption, the Fury-Nano is 50 Watts less than a Fury at the same performance

Seanspeed · 13 May 2016 at 13:21

Nutella33 said:
Imagine it would be a cut down vega. Fiji is a big old expensive chip to produce no?

Fiji would basically just be the stopgap til Vega.

Then they make two Vega's. Top one to compete with GP100. This can have a cut down version sure, but that would still be fairly high end. I would think they'd want a smaller ship to compete with GP104 more directly.

Basically

Polaris 11 - 120-150mm^
Polaris 10 - 232mm^
Vega 11 - 320-400mm^
Vega 10 - 500-600mm^

Would make sense to me. Vega 11 could potentially beat out GP104 comprehensively, especially if they use HBM2.

maonayze · 13 May 2016 at 13:21

Perfect_Chaos said:
And there were people on some forums who actually believed it would be a 10x difference in performance.

So AMD = "Overclockers Dream" and now Nvidia = "x10 Maxwell"

The only difference is that the Overclockers Dream comment didn't come from the Top Dog CEO.

Mauller · 13 May 2016 at 13:22

bru said:
You can jest all you like, it is a case of I have a friend who works in the business, that I can ask for info on future products, the fact that I only see him when down the pub is irrelevant.
If what he tells me turns out to be correct, then as far as I am concerned he becomes a good source of info. So far he has told me two things, one of which was correct, I will see what happens next.

Lol, I thought you were just jesting over the guy who apparently has insider info, the guy who gave out the validation failure stuff on a forum.

andybird123 · 13 May 2016 at 13:34

maonayze said:
So AMD = "Overclockers Dream" and now Nvidia = "x10 Maxwell"

The only difference is that the Overclockers Dream comment didn't come from the Top Dog CEO.

The difference is the CEO said it would be 10 times under certain (HPC) conditions, the overclockers dream turned out to be true under no conditions

Gregster · 13 May 2016 at 13:36

maonayze said:
So AMD = "Overclockers Dream" and now Nvidia = "x10 Maxwell"

The only difference is that the Overclockers Dream comment didn't come from the Top Dog CEO.

I quite agree. This current GPU is never going to be 10X Maxwell and surprised Jen Hsun said it. Crazy man lol.

Ayahuasca · 13 May 2016 at 13:38

Anyone who thought it was x10 gaming performance was trolling or seriously uneducated in this sector.

Gregster · 13 May 2016 at 13:40

Ayahuasca said:
Anyone who thought it was x10 gaming performance was trolling or seriously uneducated in this sector.

You know that, I know that and most know that but the ribbing I gave the top engineer at AMD for his "overclockers dream" comment, it is only fair that some comes back

maonayze · 13 May 2016 at 13:51

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So you would rather trust some bloke making a video in a zoo over what the AMD CEO has told investors and the press for the last few months.

I might as well say according to my secret sources Polaris is actually powered by a wormhole device connected to the Polaris star and will actually power your home as well as your computer meaning it pays to buy a Polaris card.

Polaris also has advanced AI subroutines meaning it will make you a cuppa after a long gaming session.

Hey Cat, for a second there I thought I was reading a post from Flopper :eek:

As for your last sentence.....well that is the icing on my cake....What a feature...I am scouring the internet looking for a pre-order page.