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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/amd-focusing-on-vr-mid-range-polaris/

"If you look at the total install base of a Radeon 290, or a GTX 970 or above [the minimum specs required for VR], it's around 7.5 million units," explained Taylor. "But the issue is that if a publisher wants to sell a £40/$50 VR game, there's not a big enough market to justify that yet. We've got to prime the pumps, which means somebody has got to start writing cheques to big games publishers. Or we've got to increase the install TAM [total addressable market].

"The reason Polaris is a big deal," continued Taylor, "is because I believe we will be able to grow that TAM significantly. I don't think Nvidia is going to do anything to increase the TAM, because according to everything we've seen around Pascal, it's a high-end part. I don't know what the price is gonna be, but let's say it's as low as £500/$600 and as high as £800/$1000. That price range is not going to expand the TAM for VR. We're going on the record right now to say Polaris will expand the TAM. Full stop."
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So R9 390 to Fury level performance is probably where it is. The second time AMD has said something similar about making cheaper VR capable cards and it is now from two different people.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/amd-focusing-on-vr-mid-range-polaris/



So R9 390 to Fury level performance is probably where it is. The second time AMD has said something similar about making cheaper VR capable cards and it is now from two different people.
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£250 to £300 for a <Fury-X / 980TI performance level card will do me nicely.

And i tend to agree with Roy, i can't see Nvidia selling 980TI level cards for sub £300, the 980 is £400, £400 is where I see a 980TI level Pascal, i could be wrong tho....
 
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The two different market segments, will appeal to different customers. while we here mostly look toward the higher end, most consumers will look to wards the midrange segment, this is where AMD should make good inroads.
Now of course it will all depend on how soon both AMD and NVidia can release a directly competing product, the AMD higher end product will come latter in the year with Vega, when NVidia plans to launch the GP106 midrange part is anyone's guess.

One question though, if Vega will match the GP104 higher end market, what will combat the inevitable GP100 style card that will come from NVidia early next year.
Or if Vega is to match the GP100 what will AMD use to combat the GP104 segment?
 
bru said:
The two different market segments, will appeal to different customers. while we here mostly look toward the higher end, most consumers will look to wards the midrange segment, this is where AMD should make good inroads.
Now of course it will all depend on how soon both AMD and NVidia can release a directly competing product, the AMD higher end product will come latter in the year with Vega, when NVidia plans to launch the GP106 midrange part is anyone's guess.

One question though, if Vega will match the GP104 higher end market, what will combat the inevitable GP100 style card that will come from NVidia early next year.
Or if Vega is to match the GP100 what will AMD use to combat the GP104 segment?
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vega 11 and vega 10 ? AMD cannot have a single high end GPU with vega that would be a big mistake, they have to make 2 variants, one with ~350mm² and one over ~450mm² even if the yields arn't that good.
 
bru said:
The two different market segments, will appeal to different customers. while we here mostly look toward the higher end, most consumers will look to wards the midrange segment, this is where AMD should make good inroads.
Now of course it will all depend on how soon both AMD and NVidia can release a directly competing product, the AMD higher end product will come latter in the year with Vega, when NVidia plans to launch the GP106 midrange part is anyone's guess.

One question though, if Vega will match the GP104 higher end market, what will combat the inevitable GP100 style card that will come from NVidia early next year.
Or if Vega is to match the GP100 what will AMD use to combat the GP104 segment?
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Not sure even Nvidia can get away releasing a 980TI level card for £100 more than a competing AMD card and call it 'a higher end card'.

Sure they do it all the time with 'Titan' branding but i think its a bit different when you try to do that with more mainstream performance cards, in that segment if its a £400 card performing like the competitions £300 card i think AMD will gain market-share, having said that Nvidia would still sell their cards in huge numbers just because iPhone.
 
Well the GP104 is considerably bigger than Polaris 10, if is not considerably faster than NVidia might as well give up making GPU's.
Just the same as Polaris 10 is considerably smaller than GP104 if it isn't considerably cheaper then AMD might as well give up making GPU's.
 
i like my value cards

but there's a market for a single card that can do 4k too ><
thats what my next card needs to be!
hell we got 4k 120hz panels here now, we need POWEHH! :p
 
muziqaz said:
If Polaris 10 matches Fury X, then AMD would gladly discontinue Fury X. Remember Fury X is humongous chip, plus interposer, plus HBM chips. Fury X uses around 300Ws. It would be replaced by chip half the size, more than half the power consumption and probably more VRAM (for Kaap). Polaris 10 would also come with HDR and HDMI 2.0 support which Fury X lacks.
I would say AMD would be over the moon if their Polaris 10 matched Fury X in performance ;)

Also, what is this assumption that because AMD was second best (which it wasn't) at high end, it lost all this market share??? They lost all this market share because they did not have any products for mid range and mobile market. Guess what is Polaris 11 and 10 addressing? Mid range and mobile market ;)
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Good post, I always like to see people with common sense, there isn't many here :P

Pro Duo as it's perfect for VR, will likely remain king for at least a year. The Polaris Mid Tier if it can match or surpass the Fury X line. Will see the other cards go EOL as it will be cheaper for AMD to produce Polaris chips VS the older Fury cards. I imagine they will co exist for a while at least in this scenario and should be some bargain prices on the older cards.

I'm looking at the GTX 1070 as my next GPU atm, (Back to green camp) if it can beat my Nano in performance while using less power. Obviously if AMD have something similar I will consider that as well.
 
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developers i can believe,
maybe some youtubers for bait + the odd crazy
*shrug* mabe thats enough i have no idea what they cost to make

i thought you meant ocuk have sold 1000 already :)
 
Mei said:
developers i can believe,
maybe some youtubers for bait + the odd crazy
*shrug* mabe thats enough i have no idea what they cost to make

i thought you meant ocuk have sold 1000 already :)
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That's the thing there was no developer or commerical version of the Titan Z.
They reused parts of it with upgraded GPUs SIX months later for a Tesla card.

So,in that sense it is still unique! :p
 
If its true were gonna get performance similar to a 980ti for 300$ its been a long time coming... its been since the 4850/4870 launch there was a breakthrough like that.
So at computex is the earliest we'll know for sure ?
 
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Psilo said:
If its true were gonna get performance similar to a 980ti for 300$ its been a long time coming... its been since the 4850/4870 launch there was a breakthrough like that.
So at computex is the earliest we'll know for sure ?
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some say there are people here who knows stuff.
new price/performance king is coming shining brightly
(no reference to any hotel or Jonny)
 
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