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You don't know this has a fact. Async is new, we not even seen its full potential yet.
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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0
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You don't know this has a fact. Async is new, we not even seen its full potential yet.
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If nvidia had this in Hardware could they gain some performance. I don't know either way but it's in dx12 and i would rather my cards fully supported it.
They are, it is all over the Pascal release material
No, it is hardware changes.
Believe what you want but you thoroughly embarrassed yourself with you knowledge of microprocessor design IPC vs clock speeds./
No those fantastic driver engineers at Nvidia have only had the last 6 months to do it on Maxwell 28nm/Maxwell 16nm. They havent done it. They have never come out and said we have hardware asynchronus support. Read the PC per stuff and watch the interview. They have improved the pre-emptive stuff but thats it. Pascal has NO Async Hardware Support regardless of what you are saying. Pre-emption and brute force is the way they are handling it and when they have it in Volta they will sure as hell tell us.
Someone else who has no idea what they are talking about.
Anyone who says Pascal deosn't have hardware asynchronous support is at best ignorant.
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Prove it. If i was at Nvidia the words Hardware support would be everywhere. They are not so ask yourself why not? I am open to being wrong but why are they not shutting down the no hardware support rumor. I don't care either way, my card is decent in Async and won't be upgrading for a while.
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DP seriously just go away mate, your such an utter Nvidia fanboy it's hilarious the way you constantly troll the AMD threads leaping on anyone saying anything remotely negative about Nvidia.
Seriously man let it go, just ignore it and move on already, all your doing is making yourself look retarded with the constant defending
No one knows what Nvidia supports with regards to async except nvidia and devs and until it's public knowledge it's ludicrous to even argue about it
Not to mention AMD don't even have their product out yet, so anything regarding Polaris is 100% speculation.
Just let it go dude, forget this thread exists until we have Polaris evidence then come back with your constant criticism and told you so attitude
Seriously man let it go, just ignore it and move on already, all your doing is making yourself look retarded with the constant defending
No one knows what Nvidia supports with regards to async except nvidia and devs and until it's public knowledge it's ludicrous to even argue about it
Not to mention AMD don't even have their product out yet, so anything regarding Polaris is 100% speculation.
Just let it go dude, forget this thread exists until we have Polaris evidence then come back with your constant criticism and told you so attitude
This has been known from day one of the announcement.
As I've been saying, Fottemberg / bits&chips was right when he picked up the leak over a year ago.
Consumer Pascal is just die shrunk FINFET Maxwell with huge FINFET enabled clocks to compensate for the now prehistoric marchitecture.
1080 may beat full die Polaris10 in most scenarios (though I suspect the latter will obliterate it in VR and heavily asynchrous / parallelised low level API games), but that will purely be down to a much larger die.
I don't think bigger Polaris / Vega will even be in touching distance of equivalent Pascal.
+1
The guy is constantly on the job praising and defending Nvidia or trying to downplay any positive AMD news. I wonder if he actually does work for the company
Discuss the 1080 in its own thread I say.
Like CAT, I'm mostly interested in £~200 cards.
I would argue that £300 is too expensive to be mainstream. The 970 was such a success partly because of how crap the 960 was.
But previously, cards like the 460 (<£200) have been the best-sellers. Also the 7850.
*IF* AMD can make a *cracking* £200 card, and not some super-gimped effort, then I could see it selling better than the £300 970, tbh.
Frankly I've talked myself out of buying some expensive, noisy, hot £300+ card. If I can't hear the clock ticking in the next room while I'm playing, or put my hand by the exhaust without getting 3rd degree burns, I'm not interested
The hot, noisy, power-hogging cards are dead to me
In that way I'm now possibly AMD's target demographic. Really pinning my hopes on a kick-ass £200 Polaris.I'm sure AMD will deliver (I'll keep telling myself that until I really believe it!)
Seriously. I feel like there's this giant persecution complex among certain AMD fans. Despite me seeing far more anti-Nvidia sentiment overall by far.You guys say that as thought there aren't an equal number of rampant AMD fanboys in the Pascal thread
Indeed, the mindless nVidia bashing is at astronomical levels. The ignorance shown and the just plain refusal to acknowledge basic facts is hilarious.
For anyone that actually cares about async hardware support in Maxwell and GCN from a developers perspective this is a great read:
http://ext3h.makegames.de/DX12_Compute.html
Pascal has many hardware improvements to reduce the context switch cost by having finer grained preemption at the pixel level instead if drawcall. That itself will.lead to big improvements.
http://ext3h.makegames.de/DX12_Compute.html
Pascal has many hardware improvements to reduce the context switch cost by having finer grained preemption at the pixel level instead if drawcall. That itself will.lead to big improvements.
I'm Ignorant then.
You said it, not I. You can understand what async shading actual is and the current state of Maxwell with the link I posted above. Then you can read the official Nvidia Pascal released material relating to chages in the hardware to improve async performance.
Your absolutely right.
THERE IS NO HARDWARE ASYNC COMPUTE IN PASCAL
Now all you need to do is acknowledge this basic fact!
They have already told us how they have attempted to close the gap. They have tweaked the Pre-emption routines...Peterson explains it in the PC Per video and not once did he say we now do Async Compute in hardware. In fact he says everything but that. Pascal have no ACE's up their sleeves (See what I did there!!).
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Like CAT, I'm mostly interested in £~200 cards.
I would argue that £300 is too expensive to be mainstream. The 970 was such a success partly because of how crap the 960 was.
But previously, cards like the 460 (<£200) have been the best-sellers. Also the 7850.
*IF* AMD can make a *cracking* £200 card, and not some super-gimped effort, then I could see it selling better than the £300 970, tbh.
Frankly I've talked myself out of buying some expensive, noisy, hot £300+ card. If I can't hear the clock ticking in the next room while I'm playing, or put my hand by the exhaust without getting 3rd degree burns, I'm not interested
The hot, noisy, power-hogging cards are dead to me
I'm sure AMD will deliver (I'll keep telling myself that until I really believe it!)
Amd made a cracking card called the 290 that offers similar performance and released a year before. Sure it will cost a few more pounds per month due to using more energy but this is PC gaming. My card is stock 290x performance and was bought at £200 with 4 games. These cards were a steal and still people go on about the gtx970. It's pure and utter madness.
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Your absolutely right.
THERE IS NO HARDWARE ASYNC COMPUTE IN PASCAL
Now all you need to do is acknowledge this basic fact!
They have already told us how they have attempted to close the gap. They have tweaked the Pre-emption routines...Peterson explains it in the PC Per video and not once did he say we now do Async Compute in hardware. In fact he says everything but that. Pascal have no ACE's up their sleeves (See what I did there!!).
What do you think Preemption is? Can you explain how to do pixel level preemption in soctware, or how compute-engines run in software.
You don't realize how hilarious you sound.
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By all means explain. From my point I have seen plenty of things done through hardware and software. You seem to have the knowledge though so give us the details needed to understand. Calling people hilarious without an explanation is hilarious in itself. Is it a full hardware implementation like GCN.