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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0
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All along AMD have said the cards will be released in the "Back To School" period. They have never said anything else. All this AMD are late talk is rubbish at this time. Nvidia have jumped in early with a paper launch to get one up on AMD, but have got cards ready for sale for this weekend.....If Nvidia have rushed the manufacture of those cards to do this....it could backfire on them and we could see a lot of returns and RMA's (Time will tell and we shall see).
I think there has been a lot of misinformation put out by various companies over the last 6 months. Either that or Nvidia have used lots of money to get their hands on the first batch of GDDR5X (more likely scenario)....hence the founders edition being the crazy price it is and the chips only running at their lowest frequency.
After that JayzTwoCents video I would definitely give the Founders card a miss and wait for the AIB custom cards, if Nvidia is your bag.
After that JayzTwoCents video I would definitely give the Founders card a miss and wait for the AIB custom cards, if Nvidia is your bag.
One thing that hit me in that video was when he mentioned he's upping the fan speed to 80%, like when he originally tested it. Why didn't he disclose that manual fan speed in his original review?
Without doing so it skewed his original review making average joe, and many think the card doesn't have throttling issues at stock speeds.
Even so, I'm waiting to see what AMD brings. I really want to see what the dedicated media encoding hardware can do.
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Considering the rumoured benchmarks for the 1070 and Polaris GPUs... they could be reasonably close to competing with each other. If Nvidia choose to be more sensible with 1070 pricing and it's at £300, while a 480X is a little above £200... things could get hairy.
Here's to hoping AMD deliver on their promise of imporoved price to performance. I personally wouldn't be impressed if a 480X goes above £200 a fair bit for 390X/980 level performance, just because the 1070 will be close. But otherwise such a price point actually makes sense and it's what I'd expect. With sub-£200 for a 480 at 390/970 level performance. Computex and E3 can't come sooner enough.
I'd want to say that the FE would be a failure for Nvidia, but hype and impatience means that it's already sold out pre-orderwise in many places. I.e. it's still been successful. I wish all who'd ordered the FE 1080 would see that video and then at least choose a non-reference 1080 instead. Or they could be disappointed at the stock performance of the 1080. Perhaps it's just for the folks who want to install waterblocks on it for cooling and get around that throttling issue.
Here's to hoping AMD deliver on their promise of imporoved price to performance. I personally wouldn't be impressed if a 480X goes above £200 a fair bit for 390X/980 level performance, just because the 1070 will be close. But otherwise such a price point actually makes sense and it's what I'd expect. With sub-£200 for a 480 at 390/970 level performance. Computex and E3 can't come sooner enough.
After that JayzTwoCents video I would definitely give the Founders card a miss and wait for the AIB custom cards, if Nvidia is your bag.
I'd want to say that the FE would be a failure for Nvidia, but hype and impatience means that it's already sold out pre-orderwise in many places. I.e. it's still been successful. I wish all who'd ordered the FE 1080 would see that video and then at least choose a non-reference 1080 instead. Or they could be disappointed at the stock performance of the 1080. Perhaps it's just for the folks who want to install waterblocks on it for cooling and get around that throttling issue.
They're holding out leaking anything further until 1080 hit the channel. We'll likely get another "leaked" benchmark or spec tid-bit tomorrow, or on Monday/Tuesday. After this, we'll likely not hear anything material until the launch is near.
Remember this isn't the 1080 market that Nvidia paper launched into that addressed effectively a bees d**k of the market.
If, as they made public they are targeting the midrange and budget then how many damn cards do you think they will need if sales go off?
Production ramp me mateys, and hopefully a couple of surprises along the way. We wouldn't want the nasty green goblin rebinning something prior to launch now would we?
If, as they made public they are targeting the midrange and budget then how many damn cards do you think they will need if sales go off?
Production ramp me mateys, and hopefully a couple of surprises along the way. We wouldn't want the nasty green goblin rebinning something prior to launch now would we?
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Still unclear if there is going to be a 490/X it can't be Vega because surely that's Fury replacement
Everything seems to hint at 480/X I'll be hugely disappointed if there is no 490 to consider swapping my 290X for
Everything seems to hint at 480/X I'll be hugely disappointed if there is no 490 to consider swapping my 290X for
How can they be late when the only time frames they have mentioned is mid 2016 and by the back to school period which ends early September, so any time before that would still be in their timeframe.
Of course if we get to September and they are still not here, then it can be said that they are late, but there is still plenty of time for AMD to release yet.
Of course if we get to September and they are still not here, then it can be said that they are late, but there is still plenty of time for AMD to release yet.
I think AMD will be dropping the fury name, too much bad press. Vega will be 490/x
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They should bring back the 'Rage' branding.
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AMD don't need to release anything, as they aren't competing with Nvidias 1080/70, they are in a different market.
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Well some people remain convinced the top Polaris 10 will be around 980Ti/1070-level of performance...
They might not be competing with each other performance wise (since Polaris 10 is at best around 980/390X level), but pricing may push them into competing each other. I've already mentioned it once. If the top end Polaris releases above £200 and 1070 is close to £300 or even under it, then they'll be pit against each other, just because of how close the prices are. Of course, at such pricing a 1070 would win with more performance (less than £100 extra for a fair bit more grunt). But all this is just speculation on my part. I for one hope that Polaris 10 doesn't exceed the £200 mark.
Depends on just how close in price they'd be.
In the non-enthusiast market range, £75-100 is actually a significant difference.
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The GTX1070 FE is $449 and the non-reference version is $379:
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2016_NVIDIA_Pascal_FINAL_published-page-033.jpg
That places the price at £370 for the GTX1070 FE and £310 for the non-reference version plus a few quid on top for the early adopters price.
But if a Polaris 10 is R9 390X level and £200 and a GTX1070 is GTX980TI level or a tad faster and is £300 to £320,that is a 50% to 60% higher price for 25% to 30% higher performance:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
Plus a £100 difference is not really comparable pricing. It is like saying a R9 380X is comparable pricing to a GTX750TI.
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Agreed. They should drop the Fury brand which has been tarnished and use Rage for Vega.
Will be interesting to see how they choose to do it. Would be nice if they are keeping it quiet as they have a slightly bigger die of a Polaris which uses GDDR5X that becomes the 490 and 490X. Unlikely, but you never know.
Either that, or more likely there will be two variants of Vega. One that uses HBM 2, which could be Rage and Rage X. The other could be Vega, but with the cheaper GDDR5X named 490 & 490X which comes out on the rumoured October date.
Just some guesses there. Either way it will be interesting to see. But I do think Vega will surprise people. Many people seem to think it won't even be able to beat the 1080. Lol. I think Vega with HBM 2 will not only beat 1080, but match or beat the 1080Ti
1070 won't be under £300 anytime soon, the founders edition is likely to be £400 or so (straight USD to GBP conversion gives ~£375), AIB cards *may* dip closer to £310-320 or so, maybe.
I'm also kinda unsure why everyone keeps saying 980/390X performance, given the rumours so far seem to be a 2560 core for the full '480X' part, clocked around ~1.25-1.3GHz (if not higher based on some bits).
Compared to older cards the 390 (non-X) is 2560 cores, so take that as a base, add 25-30% clock speed, and 2 'generations' improvement in core design (GCN 1.1 to GCN '4'). The 390X is 5-10% faster it seems, Fury ~20% faster, Fury X ~25%, 980Ti ~30%, 1070 say 35-40%?
Even by die size if you take into account the disabled parts of the 1070's die (roughly 75% essentially) then it's 'effective' die size is similar to Polaris 10's rumoured 232mm^2.
Unless I'm missing something it'll either be comfortably ahead of the 390X (and hence into Fury/980ti/1070 territory) or AMD have managed to take a big step backwards this generation...
I'm also kinda unsure why everyone keeps saying 980/390X performance, given the rumours so far seem to be a 2560 core for the full '480X' part, clocked around ~1.25-1.3GHz (if not higher based on some bits).
Compared to older cards the 390 (non-X) is 2560 cores, so take that as a base, add 25-30% clock speed, and 2 'generations' improvement in core design (GCN 1.1 to GCN '4'). The 390X is 5-10% faster it seems, Fury ~20% faster, Fury X ~25%, 980Ti ~30%, 1070 say 35-40%?
Even by die size if you take into account the disabled parts of the 1070's die (roughly 75% essentially) then it's 'effective' die size is similar to Polaris 10's rumoured 232mm^2.
Unless I'm missing something it'll either be comfortably ahead of the 390X (and hence into Fury/980ti/1070 territory) or AMD have managed to take a big step backwards this generation...