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AMD® Phenom™ II X6 and Intel® Core™ i7 Debate

But debatings fun until it gets personal! :eek: :p

All I've got from it is that some say the hex is on par with i7 then some others try to disprove that.

I'd rather get the hex now that I've read enough information, wanted the i7 since the day it came out. :p

Newer, cheaper tech (in certain cases). That isn't that much slower.

People will take what they will from the thread at least and it has been productive, I feel personally. Kudos to all parties that took part. :)
 
The whole bench is flawed... Just look at results. the x264 bench is not a good way of comparing performance hence I got the thread closed.

it was a benchmark based on real world performance its what you can expect if your using the x264 codec to transcode and the x264 codec is a very popular codec....

cpu utilisation is irelevant its still the same workload beeing done if one does it faster than the other then surely theres a reason for that, im sure if i7 did x264 and handbrake faster than that thread would have been left open.

third time lucky perhaps easy?
amd 2
intel 0 (possibly 1)
 
But debatings fun until it gets personal! :eek: :p
There has been not that much debating taking place and a whole lot of opinions and agro thrown around? . . . I'm hoping that I can continue the AMD® Phenom™ II X6 vs. Intel® Core™ i7 Debate without anymore arguing or bickering etc! :)

@ All other interested parties!

Anyone who feels they have better things to do than dig through some data and post the findings then that's fine with me . . . if anyone wants to help sifting through some data and posting there findings based on "fact" I would be most grateful . . . . I would just ask that people remember they are representing OcUK forums when they make posts here . . . .

So far there has been way to much irrelevant posts being made which kinda "pollutes" this thread as an interesting and informative resource . . . all that is needed is for each person to select a review/comparison and post there findings (good or bad) . . . if nobody wants to do this then I will do this myself . . . although if its just me the task will take a lot longer!

Just for the record I've never built or used either a AMD® Phenom™ II X6 or Intel® Core™ i7 system so I'm surprised anyone thinks it's weird I made this thread? :confused:

This thread is not about a gaming machine . . . this thread is not about a water-cooled 4GHz+ benchmarking machine . . . this thread is about working together to digest the wealth of performance "facts" spread around the web on the two different systems under consideration so that I can understand better which system is more suitable for my clients needs! . . . as listed in the O.P . . .

If somebody posts an outrageous statement don't feel compelled to answer, I don't take any notice myself . . . as said already an "opinion" counts for very little . . . "Facts" speak for themselves though! ;)

They arent mediocre, not from what im seeing
Hehe! :D

Look at the definition of that word . . . anyone who genuinely thinks an AMD® Phenom™ II X6 is "mediocre" must be either loaded to the gill with "facts" to back up their statement or just plainly uninformed? :eek:

Mediocre
  1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
  2. rather poor or inferior.

More data coming up soon, I would hope that anyone else that "contributes" further to this thread does so with good intentions of helping me out . . . I would also like to see a little more "moderation" taking place as the level of off-topic abusive posts is rather alarming and reflects badly on this forum in general . . . that’s all for now, thanks to those who have made helpful and informative posts so far . . . it's much appreciated by myself and anyone else in the same position! :cool:

lets try and keep the discussion somewhat constructive please. Thank you.
 
Hello Big Wayne,

We have reached a conclusion in the other benchmark thread.

Here

Plus we are all hugging each other and have agreed the outcome. :)

Looks like the ocuk community wants to partake in the common goal to enjoy our hardware!

Move on this thread is old news dude. :D
 
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*Snip*

If it was a genuine error then it was a simple mistake to make and I'm fine with that . . . I hope from my explanation and "illustration" above you understand the problem a bit better . . . All I want is accurate "Facts" whether it be costs ££ or performance . . in theory quite a simple request . . . in "reality" it's a minefield of mismatched hardware specs and opinions! :eek:

You have appeared to completely misunderstand my posts, based on the fact that you have written a lengthy reply illustrating what is and isn't a fair comparison, which is not relevant to what I said in my previous post and is not the "mistake" which I highlighted I made.

I stated in my previous post, I put too much emphasis on a certain aspect in my post i.e. the specifications part and prices, which was irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. The specifications which I created was to simply serve as a filler, I did not intend for it to have any weight behind them. You can change my entire specification if you like, or use your own, it would have had no effect on the point I was trying to make, which was the following.

Fire Wizard said:
What I was trying to portray was if you compare two systems (A and B) which are at different price points, if you don't think the more expensive system (A) is worth the extra over the cheaper one (B), going ahead and purchasing system B based on that alone would not be the right course of action.

However, I obviously wrote my post in such a way which appeared I was focusing on the specifications part of my post and the price difference, which I did not intend too. I am more than happy to hold my hands up and say that was a mistake on my part. I should have instead simply used the specifications which you created in your original post and then made my point from there. Ironically enough, complicating things beyond what they needed to be.

Of course you have? . . . you suggested I've done enough research, you've suggested I forgot both systems from the O.P because you deem the Intel® Core™ i5 a more appropriate product . . . you've suggested I don't waste peoples time on this forum and instead google the info . . .

I did not suggest forgetting about both products, but take the Intel system out of the equation if you didn't feel it justifies the price increase in relation to the performance increase over the AMD system and then compare the performance differences between the chosen AMD system and a similarly priced Intel system, i.e. Core i5.

you've suggested the Intel® Core™ i7 is a superior product that "justifies" its price tag etc etc

Please quote me directly where you think I am suggestion the Intel Core i7 justifies its price tag.

Have to say the way you have worded it sounds pretty close to some form of "justification" . . . . borderline anyway! :D

Fire Wizard said:
I would probably say myself that a Intel Core i7 920 system is probably slightly more expensive than it should be in relation to the performance difference to a AMD Phenom II X6 1055T system. Though, products which don't have enough competition in terms of raw performance have always charged a premium.

Again, please show me were you think I am stating my personal opinion regarding whether or not I agree with the fact that it's perfectly acceptable for the top dog products to charge a premium and not merely stating the reality side of things.

Rocket Science? . . . . I'm sorry that Im not as smart as you and that I cannot assimulate the plethora of performance data as easily and effortlessly as it seems you can? . . . if you don't think it's that hard then your definitely the man I need to be talking too . . .

The level of intelligence has nothing to do with this. Anyone can come to a reasonable answer regarding something if they take a bit of time out to research into it a bit.

Are you suggesting I live in a "fairy tale world" because things in my life make sense? . . . or are you suggesting because things don't make sense in your world they shouldn't make sense in my world? :D

No, I am suggestion you live in a fairy tale world because you're wanting the prices of products to reflect the performance of the product and when that isn't the case, you seem to be quite confused as to why that is. Whilst I think everyone would like a product price to reflect it's performance exactly, that's not how the real world works.

The other parts of your post I haven't responded too since you're asking questions like the following:

Ah good! . . . now we are getting somewhere . . . you are suggesting that the Intel® Core™ i7 "consistently performs better" yes?

The reason why I am not going to respond to the above in this very post of mine is because I would like to create a brand new post illustrating why the Intel Core i7 system does or doesn't justify it's price increase over the AMD Phenom II X6 system when I have time. I didn't want to get it mixed up in this post which seems to be more about resolving the communication issues between us.
 
Hey Fire Wizard! :)

I'm in the middle of doing some research right now and I don't intend to become bogged down in protracted communications with your good self . . . I'm not intending to give you a hard time and I apologize if me pointing out the way I am reading your posts has caused offence . . . a mercifully short reply from me this time! ;)

Please quote me directly where you think I am suggestion the Intel Core i7 justifies its price tag
please show me were you think I am stating my personal opinion regarding whether or not I agree with the fact that it's perfectly acceptable for the top dog products to charge a premium and not merely stating the reality side of things


"products which don't have enough competition in terms of raw performance have always charged a premium" #65

"The reason why the difference isn't £80 but is instead £136.78 is due to those products generally being better than the competitors products and thus, charge a premium due to that very reason." #110

"I simply stated products which consistently perform better than other products on the market charge a premium not necessary in relation to the performance differences due to being the top dog."#110

Your very brave to confront a Philosopher on the subject of "reality" :p

The reality of this situation is very simple . . . I got two products to choose from and want to understand if it's worth spending the extra on the Intel® Core™ i7 for the tasks my client intends to perform . . . you may know the difference but sadly I do not . . . . I'm starting to uncover a few advantages to the Intel® Core™ i7 that I did not previously consider which is good . . . I've got a completely open mind on this one and hopefully in a week or two I will personally be able to draw a conclusion . . . I'd be grateful for any "Facts" you can contribute! ;)

The level of intelligence has nothing to do with this. Anyone can come to a reasonable answer regarding something if they take a bit of time out to research into it a bit.
I don't see why anyone that's interested has to do their research individually? . . . I am of the mind that it's possible to cooperatively co create a non biased resource in order to get a better and more insightful result . . . it seems you are suggesting I am doing something unusual by asking for help on a technical forum in getting a few willing hands on deck? . . . Not everyone knows about or owns this hardware and I think for anyone who is interested it makes more sense to research together instead of everyone going to the effort for researching for themselves only?

That's all for now, I hope your well and see you later! :cool:

P.S:

"If you don't feel the performance of the Intel system justifies the extra cost, then that's absolutely fine." #65

I haven't said anything about how I feel? . . . I asked the question "why" is it more expensive? . . . what is the "reason" . . . if there is a good reason then I will spend that money? . . . all I have heard back so far is "it's faster" and not to buy the AMD® Phenom™ II X6 because it's mediocre?
 
"products which don't have enough competition in terms of raw performance have always charged a premium" #65

"The reason why the difference isn't £80 but is instead £136.78 is due to those products generally being better than the competitors products and thus, charge a premium due to that very reason." #110

"I simply stated products which consistently perform better than other products on the market charge a premium not necessary in relation to the performance differences due to being the top dog."#110

Your very brave to confront a Philosopher on the subject of "reality" :p

I don't see how any of those quotes are stating anything but how things work in the real world.

I have a feeling this could go round in circles and there is obviously a slight communication issue here, probably my fault, which I apologise for. Anyway, I'll go along with the following and post some things which contribute to the reason why you created this thread in the first place when I have time. Though, please don't take that as if I mean my previous posts were created primarily to be awkward and go against the grain of the thread, because that's certainly not how it is.

The reality of this situation is very simple . . . I got two products to choose from and want to understand if it's worth spending the extra on the Intel® Core™ i7 for the tasks my client intends to perform . . . you may know the difference but sadly I do not . . . . I'm starting to uncover a few advantages to the Intel® Core™ i7 that I did not previously consider which is good . . . I've got a completely open mind on this one and hopefully in a week or two I will personally be able to draw a conclusion . . . I'd be grateful for any "Facts" you can contribute!

Take care. :)
 
threads like this will always go round in circles tbh, and never be sorted..

goiing by Cinebench 10 i7 V X6 thread, the x6 is only about 6% behind the I7 but using Cinebench 11 the x6 beats the i7.

so 6% extra performance but costs 10-20%+ more.

but yes this is only 2 benchmarks
 
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cinebench thread ended up beeing better than this one....
Hello arknor,

I don't think this kind of post "contributes" much to making things any better? :)

Please don't feel compelled to keep posting here if you feel its not your cup of tea . . . apart from that I hope your well and have fun! :cool:
 
Indeed. That i7 rig i spec is just £63 more expensive but has 2 GB more ram,Runs triple channel and has a faster cpu at the heart.

Forgive me...But is this not the sweet spot in terms of price V perforamnce?




erm.....no there isn't

you would not be able to overclock the I7 with that cooler.

Ive had both set ups the I7 (ive had 4 I7s) is faster and can be had for a lot less if you shop around but needs decent cooling to get the maximum out of it.

The X6 is cooler running and can run on a £60 (890 chipset) motherboard, its just weighing up what you are going to be using it for really.

If you are thinking of going bulldozer next year (the last i heard) is that it will use the AM3 socket so you have some upgrade path there.

If i had a nice big case (and somewhere to put it) i would go for the I7.
 
I don't think it really "contributes" much towards helping me or helping anyone else who is interested (or lurking)
your basicly saying my posts doesn't help u much. but in that post was this below which u clearly ignored it.

goiing by Cinebench 10 i7 V X6 thread, the x6 is only about 6% behind the I7 but using Cinebench 11 the x6 beats the i7.

so 6% extra performance but costs 10-20%+ more.

but yes this is only 2 benchmarks
 
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u say my posts doesn't basicly help u much. but in that post was this below which u clearly ignored it.
Hello Gareth,

that information was missing from your post when I dragged it across to another monitor for editing? . . . all I saw was a negative comment!

Thanks for the update! :)
 
you would not be able to overclock the I7 with that cooler.

Ive had both set ups the I7 (ive had 4 I7s) is faster and can be had for a lot less if you shop around but needs decent cooling to get the maximum out of it.

The X6 is cooler running and can run on a £60 (890 chipset) motherboard, its just weighing up what you are going to be using it for really.

If you are thinking of going bulldozer next year (the last i heard) is that it will use the AM3 socket so you have some upgrade path there.

If i had a nice big case (and somewhere to put it) i would go for the I7.

Agreed on Core i7.

Just wondering, where did you get £60 mobo with 890 chipset from? Is £60 a special number that is randomly appearing in this thread? I complained about it regarding one of Big Wayne's posts, I'm complaining (or rather looking for an explanation) now too :p
 
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