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AMD CPU division with another duffer 
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AMD R5 4500 'waste of AMDs reputation and credibility'
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I’d like to see it compared to the £85 R5 1600AF.
Jesus this must really be junk if the usual suspects are not on here to defend AMDs honour 
Probably just all the resources going on the new chips and AM5.
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No bad products just bad prices.
Looks like they have various failed dies that they want rid off, problem is they should be far cheaper as they are scrap essentially.
Looks like they have various failed dies that they want rid off, problem is they should be far cheaper as they are scrap essentially.
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No real defending these at the prices they are sold for, they are scrap chiplets/failed APU’s.
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and a year too late. Its a recycled scrap part.
Performing worse than a 2700X seems odd, if this is base on Zen 2 architecture I would be expecting 3600 results! That price makes no sense either, given it performs worse than a 3600 at a price point almost matching the 3600 during the last year it was on sale.
Renoir so Zen2 APU with
I used to be all about the new shiny, but I'm getting old(er). Now I'd rather be a generation behind for most things, because stability. Compared to a decade ago, CPUs now are just so advanced. We've gone from 2-4 core stagnation to 64 core behemoths with massive IPC. My point being - yay progress, but the last gen CPUs still by far outstrips most demands and will be (1) cheaper, and (2) far in excess of requirement or perceived speed. Outside of benchmarks, will you really notice a difference between a 3960X with 3600MHz DDR4 and a 6600X with 5000MHz DDR5 while you're watching Netflix and shooting zombies at 1080p?... 
The next year, UEFI and drivers will be much more stable and mature, and prices will be lower. The year-on-year improvements driven by AMD the last few years are remarkable. It's so tempting to see the upcoming release and go all wide-eyed. Less power! More compute! Higher frames! But back at your desk, with a recession looming and the world at (proxy) war and prices through the roof, do you really need to jump on the latest thing before the creases are ironed out?
Like I said, I'm getting old.
The next year, UEFI and drivers will be much more stable and mature, and prices will be lower. The year-on-year improvements driven by AMD the last few years are remarkable. It's so tempting to see the upcoming release and go all wide-eyed. Less power! More compute! Higher frames! But back at your desk, with a recession looming and the world at (proxy) war and prices through the roof, do you really need to jump on the latest thing before the creases are ironed out?
Like I said, I'm getting old.
Jesus this must really be junk if the usual suspects are not on here to defend AMDs honour
I'm worried also its been a few hours now but they're defending AMD's honor elsewhere I see.
Gamers Nexus on/back on the AMD hate list now.
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Certainly seems to be an odd price, £97 is the lowest I've seen one but that seems to be an outlier.
I do wonder which binned chip this is, it being monolithic Zen2 without the iGPU it has to be a 4650G, or maybe one of the laptop parts with higher power limits. There is certainly a market for this type of CPU, but really it needs to have the iGPU still to make it a more appealing prospect. Not quite sure if this is aimed at gamers though, that much can best said for it being Zen2 based.
I do wonder which binned chip this is, it being monolithic Zen2 without the iGPU it has to be a 4650G, or maybe one of the laptop parts with higher power limits. There is certainly a market for this type of CPU, but really it needs to have the iGPU still to make it a more appealing prospect. Not quite sure if this is aimed at gamers though, that much can best said for it being Zen2 based.
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Pricing just makes no sense. Might be a good buy at <£80 imo (taking into account that AMD boards tend to cost less than Intel ones). I3 12100F is the better option for gaming, but the 4500 isn't really unusable in any way, and does OK in productivity tasks.
Until second hand components are available cheaper I'm not sure much less that £80 is realistic though. Eg Ryzen 2600 CPUs still seem to be going for £90 to £100 for some reason. Guess possibly because there's just been such a lack of entry level alternatives that if people want an AMD system with potential to upgrade in future there's no option except buying an overpriced second hand part from 2 generations ago. Especially since the 1600AFs stopped being produced.
Until second hand components are available cheaper I'm not sure much less that £80 is realistic though. Eg Ryzen 2600 CPUs still seem to be going for £90 to £100 for some reason. Guess possibly because there's just been such a lack of entry level alternatives that if people want an AMD system with potential to upgrade in future there's no option except buying an overpriced second hand part from 2 generations ago. Especially since the 1600AFs stopped being produced.
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Seems like the 5600 non-x is the last 'real' Zen 3 CPU, at least if you want proper Zen 3 performance. The other CPUs AMD took a hacksaw to their cache and/or they're based on Zen 2. The i3-12100 at least gives full benefit of the potential of alder lake cores in games.