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1070 is 16nm.
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AMD RX 480 Fails PCI-E Specification
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I would not worry just plug her in and start enjoying it..
...this internet can be such a downer at times
We've had 390s and 970s selling for less. They are faster to boot.
The 4GB is EOL. What was that said earlier about not comparing EOL cards...
** Quoting them is equally not exceptable **
The AMD 480 4GB is NOT EOL.
If your going to use words as fact please check first.
Gibbo has already said AMD will be shipping more 4GB cards
Soldato
480 confirmed can crash on certain mobos.
People just want to trash AMD for not releasing a 980Ti <$250 mark, that's it, just check the launch thread. "Omg such a fail, a 390/X perf at nearly 390 prices, AMD can just go and bankrupt." 1080 got some flame for launching couple hundred more than a 980, yet when 480's launch here is heavily impacted by Brexit AMD turns out to be a scumbag releasing same perf on same price bracket for years.
With pound this weak, we should compare US prices, not UK's. Remember we're getting shafted at the moment?
Okay, enough derailing. How bad this overdrawing of power from PCI-E will hurt motherboards >£120 compared to trash used in Argos PCs?
Soldato
Science Studio5 hours ago (edited)
- I should clarify. The only motherboards that will likely experience any issues are those with terrible power delivery integration or boards from ~2006 and earlier featuring PCIe 1.0 and 2.0 revisions. Most modern boards - even the cheap ones - should be fine. Again, my suggestion is (just to be safe): wait for third-party 480s to roll out. Search for the 8-pin and 6-pin x2 cards and opt for those. Thanks for watching!
Caporegime
Except I can buy an asus strix GTX 970 on this site for 209£ including 20 rebate.
If I go to anandtech, GTX 970 wins in tomb raider, dirt rally, cysts 3, the Witcher, gtav,
Rx480 wins in ashes of singularity and the division and hitman.
The rx480 consumes more power at idle, less under load.
GTX 970 temperature is 63 degrees load, rx480 80 degrees...GTX quieter at load, rx louder etc
Any more?
The fact is that the RX 480 pass the PCIe compliance test.
Soldato
Is the 480 not 8GB vs 3.5/4GB on the 970?
In my opinion, 4GB simply isn't enough these days. I use more than 4GB RAM in GTA V and thats at 1080p!
I am baffled how people, outside of some PCI-E power draw debate, can praise the 480 as a golden card that "raises the price : performance" bar to a "whole new level".
It doesn't, because you can still pick up brand new 970s which are cheaper and offer equal or better performance metrics. It does not matter if it's EOL, the fact it IS EOL should only add to the disappointment the 480 brings.
It's on 14nm, brand new and should have wiped the floor with the 970. At the very least it should have been a power efficiency demi-god compared to the 970. The 1070 comparison is being drawn because a far far superior card on the same 14nm process is drawing less power. It merely shows what can be done despite being an apples to oranges comparison in terms of price : performance.
It doesn't, because you can still pick up brand new 970s which are cheaper and offer equal or better performance metrics. It does not matter if it's EOL, the fact it IS EOL should only add to the disappointment the 480 brings.
It's on 14nm, brand new and should have wiped the floor with the 970. At the very least it should have been a power efficiency demi-god compared to the 970. The 1070 comparison is being drawn because a far far superior card on the same 14nm process is drawing less power. It merely shows what can be done despite being an apples to oranges comparison in terms of price : performance.
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Agreed!!
Saying this over and over won't make it true.
Nobody was demanding for 980ti perf for £200.
I thought we'd get 980 perf for ~£200, maybe a shade less £. Boy was I wrong!
But a 980 isn't a 980ti, by a long shot.
And please don't keep saying it's 390/X perf, when it's 970/390 perf in everything bar a couple DX12 benchmarks
The future may look better for this card, but the future is not now, and it doesn't perform like a 390X now. It just doesn't.
Soldato
Saying this over and over won't make it true.
Nobody was demanding for 980ti perf for £200.
I thought we'd get 980 perf for ~£200, maybe a shade less £. Boy was I wrong!
But a 980 isn't a 980ti, by a long shot.
And please don't keep saying it's 390/X perf, when it's 970/390 perf in everything bar a couple DX12 benchmarks
The future may look better for this card, but the future is not now, and it doesn't perform like a 390X now. It just doesn't.
I literally just bought a 390x because It is near as makes no difference the same price as the 480, and performs much better. No brainer for me. "EOL" means nothing in the real world. Still comes with a 2 year warranty. It's not as if it suddenly becomes "unsupported" or "unusable".
Quite simply. Which do you think is the better card? I can't really belive we are in a position where buying the old tech is the wise choice....
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Ouch
Caporegime
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Anandtech said the card was loud, everyone else said it wasn't, I'm going to believe they bypassed the fan limit for no apparent reason. [H] who said the card was a joke before launch, called it silent in their review. It isn't loud and the temp doesn't matter. Likewise the price for a 970 has tanked precisely because it's EOL, that wasn't their launch price.
When the 1080 became available the 980ti dropped from £600 to £400, which then beat the 1080 on price performance but this is a limited amount of cards because production ended. This has happened every single generation of gpus and every single product I can think of. A pair of 2015 summer range jeans at a store goes with a 70% discount when the range is discontinued and they want to clear stock before the 2016 range comes in. A 2015 bike that again to clear the last stock tanks price 40% making it a far better purchase than the 2016 replacement. This happens with prices, get over it.
However lets get to the games you're talking about, several games most people already played on the last gen of cards perform better on the 970, the newest games perform better on the RX480 and not a little bit, 30% better in Hitman. You will buy this card and use it for 1-3 years and over that period 90% of the games you play will perform closer to Hitman than a 1-2 year old game.
It will be an entire 2 weeks before AIB cards come out and you'll be spending £250 on a card that will run silently, run at 60C and perform probably 20-40% better than the 970 in the majority of games coming out over the next 3 years.
Lets say you want to sell either card in 2 years to upgrade again. Which will 2nd hand users want to buy, the card that is 30% faster in BF1 and probably by then BF2 and 3 and has 8GB of memory, or the card that sucks in DX12 when all new games are DX12, has 4GB of memory and has literally no advantage at all?
If I bought today, a 480 all the way.
improvements under the hood etc..
using logic might not work here
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In 2 weeks you'll realise an AIB will improve performance 15-20%, and in 6 months you'll realise the RX480 is another 10-20% faster in newer games then when you feel like trying VR you're realise the RX480 is 50% faster again.
You're also buying a 275W card that will go even higher with overclocking vs 150W card. There is exactly no reason that buying the old tech is the wise choice, none.
However, as with my other post, every single generation as the new cards come in the old cards get a bit price slash and offer great price/performance. This happened with the 1080 vs the 980ti, it happened with a 7970 vs a 6970, it happened with a 680 vs a 580. This is the way the retail industry works, the last few bits of stock of the previous gen cards are always available for epic deals and always grab a bunch of buyers, but you're talking about maybe 10k 390x cards vs 3mil sales. In a few weeks the 390x stocks will be gone and comparing the RX480 to a literally unavailable card that was only competitive due to stock clearing price tactics becomes pointless.
Soldato
Whats percentage of DMs predictions actually pan out, anyone done the research?