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AMD RX 580 and RX 560 leak

Scougar said:
Basic answer "yes."
More involved answer: "I have to ask you what is the rest of your system spec, as that is a VERY old card. What is your power supply and CPU etc? "
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my system is a lot better except the video card. i'm using this one temporarily because my original died several weeks ago. i need to decide on one now. i was tempted by nvidia 1060 but i know i want video card with 8gb of ram
 
Apart from the one-off like the gent with the 8400 I'm struggling to figure out who AMD think they are targetting with the 570 & 580. They're virtually the same performance and price as the 400 series so none of those people are going to upgrade and everyone else on 10 series Nvidia's aren't going to be interested either..
As a rule I think rebrands should be where the last gen's -80 card becomes the new gen's -70 card and so on, so technically the 570 should have the 480 chip in it.
Sadly it looks like those days may be a thing of the past as we seem to be getting more and more even pegging rebrands coming one after the other.
We even had the 265 go up a range to be used in the 370, The 290 series cards became the 390 series cards and now the 480 becomes the 580,
An occasional one off situation like with the 5770 & 6770 is bad enough but please don't make a habit of it.
 
Finally a sensible article on RX500: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3189...-are-a-faster-better-polaris-for-new-pcs.html

Let’s be honest: No gamer likes to see rebrands and minor iterations, especially when the world’s been waiting for Vega for what seems like an eternity. But the Radeon RX 470 and 480 already delivered compelling value compared to Nvidia’s (wildly different) 6GB GeForce GTX 1060 and 3GB GTX 1060, and that continued as drivers matured and supplies stopped being as limited as they were at the Polaris launch.

Lots of people are upgrading their PCs right now thanks to new competition on the CPU front. This Radeon release gives buyers the advantage of a refined manufacturing process, gives reviewers a reason to revisit mainstream Radeon cards, and lets AMD sell shiny "new" graphics cards to go with those shiny new Ryzen processors. It’s not exciting whatsoever, but it’s practical from a business standpoint, especially since we probably won't see new graphics card architectures from AMD or Nvidia any time in the immediate future.
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The 500 series are THE excellent buy for people doing new builds or upgrading from very old cards, and want a future-proof mid-range card.
 
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akarypid said:
Finally a sensible article on RX500: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3189...-are-a-faster-better-polaris-for-new-pcs.html



The 500 series are THE excellent buy for people doing new builds or upgrading from very old cards and want a future-proof mid-range card.
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+1 it's not exciting but makes sense. AMD get to show what they have done through drivers over the last year and sway people over to the RX480 which is now the faster RX580. Re-brands will never be exciting especially to people like us who want to see much faster new stuff.
 
TheRealDeal said:
+1 it's not exciting but makes sense. AMD get to show what they have done through drivers over the last year and sway people over to the RX480 which is now the faster RX580. Re-brands will never be exciting especially to people like us who want to see much faster new stuff.
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That is where Vega will shine hopefully. As Flopper would say something like: It is the brightest star in the sky which will guide us to extreme performance and pleasure.

Where are you flopper? I miss your crazy lines. Lol.
 
sajtion said:
my system is a lot better except the video card. i'm using this one temporarily because my original died several weeks ago. i need to decide on one now. i was tempted by nvidia 1060 but i know i want video card with 8gb of ram
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I think what I'd do if buying now would be to get a list of all the 480 and 580 8gbs, dismiss anything say over £240, and then choose based on clock speed, cooler and warranty, ignoring whether it's a 480 or a 580.
 
nashathedog said:
Apart from the one-off like the gent with the 8400 I'm struggling to figure out who AMD think they are targetting with the 570 & 580. They're virtually the same performance and price as the 400 series so none of those people are going to upgrade and everyone else on 10 series Nvidia's aren't going to be interested either..
As a rule I think rebrands should be where the last gen's -80 card becomes the new gen's -70 card and so on, so technically the 570 should have the 480 chip in it.
Sadly it looks like those days may be a thing of the past as we seem to be getting more and more even pegging rebrands coming one after the other.
We even had the 265 go up a range to be used in the 370, The 290 series cards became the 390 series cards and now the 480 becomes the 580,
An occasional one off situation like with the 5770 & 6770 is bad enough but please don't make a habit of it.
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I think its more that we are coming up to summer,so the AMD OEMs,etc want something "new" to bundle with the Ryzen systems AMD will start pushing. I would imagine 500 series seems to chime well with R5 Ryzen in some way.

The worst thing is that being AMD,the two cards which actually showed the biggest improvement in their segments,ie,the RX560 and RX550 were not reviewed since I suspect AMD didn't bother with sending them out yet. The RX560 seems to use a full Polaris 10 GPU and has higher clockspeeds whilst being cheaper than the RX460 at launch:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11280/amd-announces-the-radeon-rx-500-series-polaris/2

The RX550 also looks to be in a price segment below it and uses a new GPU,and if that has the same HTPC features as the higher end cards,it will be the cheapest dedicated HTPC card you can get.

OFC,they are low end cards,but I would argue the RX460 is bracketed by the GTX1050 and the GTX1050TI,so any improvement there is actually more useful.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The worst thing is that being AMD,the two cards which actually showed the biggest improvement in their segments,ie,the RX560 and RX550 were not reviewed since I suspect AMD didn't bother with sending them out yet. The RX560 seems to use a full Polaris 10 GPU and has higher clockspeeds whilst being cheaper than the RX460 at launch:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11280/amd-announces-the-radeon-rx-500-series-polaris/2

The RX550 also looks to be in a price segment below it and uses a new GPU,and if that has the same HTPC features as the higher end cards,it will be the cheapest dedicated HTPC card you can get.

OFC,they are low end cards,but I would argue the RX460 is bracketed by the GTX1050 and the GTX1050TI,so any improvement there is actually more useful.
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Those were the two I wanted to look at as well. Everyone with some tech knowledge knew where the 570 and 580 would be positioned.

Although the 550 and 560 are what are interesting. Until those, Apple were the only ones that got full Polaris 11 unlocked GPUs in their systems.

So these will be interesting; especially if the RX 550 is 460 performance, but cheaper; while the 560 is fully unlocked and slots in at 460 price.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
looking at £80 for the 550 which is too much.
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It will be more an HTPC card - its around 50W TDP,so there is more chance of low profile and single slot versions and it does undercut the GTX1050 too. So I would argue it is a niche card for most of us.

One area interestingly where the rebrands have improved in is playback power draw(its half that of the older versions). The RX560 is faster for light gaming OFC and is better value in that regard. The same for the GTX1050 too.
 
akarypid said:
A 44CU card (vs 36 on P10) could offer up to 25% more performance at the same clocks, but it would also mean something like 225W TDP for a 6+8pin.

Maybe they could've dropped the clock at 1200MHz and have similar performance for the same power consumption and a lot more OC room. But then I guess we'd go from a 232 mm2 chip to around 300... Yields might mean less money.
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Well, between GF's (and Samsung's) 14nm being worse than TSMC's 16nm and the WSA, surely it must be cheaper per wafer especially for AMD. So running wide and slow would have made perfect sense for AMD rather than what they actually did with RX480 and even more what they did with RX580: run it at way past the process's optimal in terms of clocks and voltages and have a power hungry card. Okay, it might take a hit on perf/area (especially versus GP106 which is ~200mm²) but if the wafers are cheaper, so what?
 
Scougar said:
I know right. With extra cores and faster memory it would have destroyed the "1060 Tip" on release, but alas, it wasn't to be.
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Yes, that's the other puzzling thing. Faster memory would have had a negligible effect in terms of power (obviously a higher BOM of course) since Polaris seems to like the extra bandwidth. CB did a test at 4000 vs 4500 memory (+12.5%) and got 6% extra performance.
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And that was just the slider; AMD adding faster memory would probably have involved new timings so potentially more than that.
 
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