AMD RX 6000 Series UK Pricing ?

Chud_Jenny · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:01

Purgatory said:
Same here mate it's shocking really what's going on, I'm 48 this year and my first computer was a zx80 and first IBM compatible a 286, so gives you an idea how long I have been at it too and how long I have seen what happens in the pc market. I'm trying to give some a reality check and sadly some have forgotten what happened only in last 2 years with the 2080ti pricing they all said never will be a £1K GPU, humm they ended up at £1200 cheap model if lucky and £1500 for a decent one. Even today the 2080ti new is over £1200 for rubbish models in most cases, while the 3000 series is out.

And ampere is a workstation card. Very strong at number crunching, poor at gaming not been able to make use of the and or integer and floating point units.

Vega 64 where thrown under the bus but not doing bad at all in new titles. Could be a little better too with the HBCC on.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/godfall-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/4.html

Purgatory · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:03

Chud_Jenny said:
And ampere is a workstation card. Very strong at number crunching, poor at gaming not been able to make use of the and or integer and floating point units.

I saw that and the 3090 was beating a 3080 by 30%, as you said these cards need game engines that suit their workstation architecture to work well. NVIDIA is too busy making A.I cards and number crunchers, because that's where their main income comes from, then they work their gpus over to a gaming card and hope for the best with performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/godfall-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/

Tiny_D · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:04

Purgatory said:
Same here mate it's shocking really what's going on, I'm 48 this year and my first computer was a zx80 and first IBM compatible a 286, so gives you an idea how long I have been at it too and how long I have seen what happens in the pc market. I'm trying to give some a reality check and sadly some have forgotten what happened only in last 2 years with the 2080ti pricing they all said never will be a £1K GPU, humm they ended up at £1200 cheap model if lucky and £1500 for a decent one. Even today the 2080ti new is over £1200 for rubbish models in most cases, while the 3000 series is out.

Pff you were late to the game? I was BBC Micro model B (Which I took apart instantly and got the beating of a life time haha), but agree and the problem is this instant gratification world we now live in fueled by instagram where every picture is edited and faked and tik tok videos of 14 year old girls twerking for 20 million views and 14 year old young lads doing lip sync love songs like they are some sort of experienced adonis love god.

Hell you're not even allowed to be a male or female anymore or the vegan's will have you up in front of the peoples court and before you know it the office is calling to sack you over a tweet you posted about your instagram picture of a snow flake because it wasn't fair trade..... Honestly im afraid for my kids growing up.

Chud_Jenny · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:07

Purgatory said:
I saw that and the 3090 was beating a 3080 by 30%, as you said these cards need game engines that suit their workstation architecture to work well. NVIDIA is too busy making A.I cards and number crunchers, because that's where their main income comes from, then they work their gpus over to a gaming card and hope for the best with performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/godfall-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/

Great minds think alike lol.

Purgatory · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:08

Tiny_D said:
Pff you were late to the game? I was BBC Micro model B (Which I took apart instantly and got the beating of a life time haha), but agree and the problem is this instant gratification world we now live in fueled by instagram where every picture is edited and faked and tik tok videos of 14 year old girls twerking for 20 million views and 14 year old young lads doing lip sync love songs like they are some sort of experienced adonis love god.

Hell you're not even allowed to be a male or female anymore or the vegan's will have you up in front of the peoples court and before you know it the office is calling to sack you over a tweet you posted about your instagram picture of a snow flake because it wasn't fair trade..... Honestly im afraid for my kids growing up.

LOL used the BBC too

then I remember the school went over to the Archimedes with that space game in 3D was like wow look at how far we got.. geeze now it runs on a cheap calculator .

Tiny_D · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:15

Purgatory said:
LOL used the BBC too then I remember the school went over to the Archimedes with that space game in 3D was like wow look at how far we got.. geeze now it runs on a cheap calculator .

Them days sitting listening to a tape player beep and fizz for 25 minutes only to crash at 98% loaded

People complaining next gen consoles 'can' take up to a whole minute to load :rolleyes:

Purgatory · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:19

Tiny_D said:
Them days sitting listening to a tape player beep and fizz for 25 minutes only to crash at 98% loaded

HAHA .. exactly... Tip you didn't set the dual tape deck to the correct levels for bass and treble when you copied it

..

The youngsters now have it so easy really.

At my first job the place I worked at was using a CNC machine that used punched tape and one had punched card. The one with a 720k floppy was like something from the future

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Gigapig · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:21

Purgatory said:
Same here mate it's shocking really what's going on, I'm 48 this year and my first computer was a zx80 and first IBM compatible a 286, so gives you an idea how long I have been at it too and how long I have seen what happens in the pc market. I'm trying to give some a reality check and sadly some have forgotten what happened only in last 2 years with the 2080ti pricing they all said never will be a £1K GPU, humm they ended up at £1200 cheap model if lucky and £1500 for a decent one. Even today the 2080ti new is over £1200 for rubbish models in most cases, while the 3000 series is out. Also are they not seeing what is going on with the pricing for a 3000 series NVIDIA cards ?

They think AMD is going to save the day when reality is they will be £50 cheaper for the same model as the NVIDIA version 6800 and XT. 6900xt god knows where that will land , may even match a 3090 in price or again £100-£150 cheaper.

Same here. I've been so excited about this round of gpu launches as I've never been in this position before as my previous purchases have been way after launch.
My last purchase was an MSI 770 in 2013 for £251, so I'm shocked by the price increases which aren't wholly due to inflation.
I hate paying over the odds for anything and if I didn't have 400 games on Steam I'd be looking at consoles or Stadia. :mad:

Tiny_D · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:22

Purgatory said:
HAHA .. exactly... Tip you didn't set the dual tape deck to the correct levels for bass and treble when you copied it ..

The youngsters now have it so easy really.

At my first job the place I worked at was using a CNC machine that used punched tape and one had punched card. The one with a 720k floppy was like something from the future .

haha!! mint!!
Mum got to program one of the first computers in preston Uni, it also ran on punch cards... you would use a weird type writer to make the punch cards then put them in order and hope the program worked lol.

Shaolin Chicken · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:22

Tiny_D said:
I was BBC Micro model B

ZX80 came out before the BBC Micro Model B

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Tiny_D · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:28

Shaolin Chicken said:
ZX80 came out before the BBC Micro Model B .

Well I never guess the Alzheimer's is working

ZX80

Type Home computer
Release date 1980; 40 years ago
Introductory price £99.95 (£432; $554 at 2020 prices)

BBC Micro

BBC Micro Model A/B (standard configuration)
Developer BBC
Manufacturer Acorn Computers
Type 8-bit home computer
Release date 1 December 1981; 38 years ago
Lifespan 1981-1994
Introductory price £235 Model A, £335 Model B (in 1981)

£335 in 1981
£1,146.64 in 2020

Wonder what the scalpers would sell it for?

Starting a new Thread "Is 32k memory enough?"

Gigapig · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:35

My mum bought us a second hand ZX81 for £50 after me and my brother saw one in WHSmiths. Things have never been the same.

Shaolin Chicken · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:35

Yes BBC micro was expensive, my mate had one though, played Elite on it, such a great game.
A mate also had the ZX81, never tried it though.

zoffster1 · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:36

Tiny_D said:
Them days sitting listening to a tape player beep and fizz for 25 minutes only to crash at 98% loaded

People complaining next gen consoles 'can' take up to a whole minute to load

Did you ever use a book to program in your own games line by line? A couple of hours typing in the code and the you run it and find that the code printed in the book was faulty. Joy.

Purgatory · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:37

Tiny_D said:
Starting a new Thread "Is 32k memory enough?"

ROFL... quit it ... I spat out my tea laughing..

You forgot will cpu bottleneck my 32k, while tape drive taking 30 mins to load anything right.

Tiny_D · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:37

zoffster1 said:
Did you ever use a book to program in your own games line by line? A couple of hours typing in the code and the you run it and find that the code printed in the book was faulty. Joy.

Yes!!! ..... You could buy magazines with games and copy the code and save it to tape... only it would be spread across multiple issues of the magazine haha.

Chud_Jenny · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:39

Gigapig said:
Same here. I've been so excited about this round of gpu launches as I've never been in this position before as my previous purchases have been way after launch.
My last purchase was an MSI 770 in 2013 for £251, so I'm shocked by the price increases which aren't wholly due to inflation.
I hate paying over the odds for anything and if I didn't have 400 games on Steam I'd be looking at consoles or Stadia.

Few more transistors in the 6800xt 26.8bn Vs 3.54bn of the 770 on 28nm.
The upgrade will be worth every penny, it's such a massive performance jump for you.

Purgatory · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:40

zoffster1 said:
Did you ever use a book to program in your own games line by line? A couple of hours typing in the code and the you run it and find that the code printed in the book was faulty. Joy.

Yup and the magazines that they were selling at time with programs in them, I remember the ZX Spectrum one with the frog in a magazine the damn program was bad and didn't work right and thought must be me missing something next month magazine had the corrections in but of course I didn't save it at time so had to retype it in.

Purgatory · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:43

Chud_Jenny said:
Few more transistors in the 6800xt 26.8bn Vs 3.54bn of the 770 on 28nm.
The upgrade will be worth every penny, it's such a massive performance jump for you.

Yes but most of the transistors on the 6800 are used for infinity cache 128mb

, it's more RAM than GPU... watch the quiet ones wake up now and defend it ..

roy_g_biv · 15 Nov 2020 at 21:43

Tiny_D said:
SNIP

The keyboard on that ZX80 looks brutal though