Rumour has it that second gen of Zen 4 will have 3D cache. I think these 5800X3D should have a decent life in them, not top tier forever but keep AM4 going until AM5/DDR5 is fully mature and prices have levelled off.
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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D Cache Eight Core 4.5GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail - Go Go Go xD
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There's no reason, as I have said before, that AMD won't keep the AM4 platform running for a good while longer than anticipated, especially with AM5 being DDR5 only. At some point they will have 'spare parts' they need to make into something, looking at the R5 5500 and below here, and that could be other X3D SKU's or even a low power 65w rated 5900(nonX)3D with lower clocks and more cache, pushing it back to the 105w+. I suppose that is the benefit of such a modular chip design that spans enterprise parts down to desktop and mobile, they can make work what works, and bin others.
There has been much renewed interested in AM4 systems since the X3D results started coming in, and some people who were considering moves to Alder/Raptor have all but forgotten about it as an option, if DDR5 was the excuse to avoid it, it is even more so for them now. Along with the older AM4 upgrades that have been popular since the cheaper parts came out, and the new BIOS support was put in place for the majority of older boards. AMD really have done a cracking job to hold back the incoming tide of Intel, perhaps the tide is now even going out again.
I suppose it all depends on AMD's plans for the 5800X3D. How much volume will there be? Is the intention to produce a lot of these or just steal Intel's thunder until AM5 arrives? I bought early as I'm not sure this will be a regular production CPU.
Looks like World of Warcraft is another game that loves 3DVcache, 40-50 FPS improvement over Ryzen 5000 series.
There are more and more of these slides popping up where the 5800X3D embarrasses everything including the 12900K with £500 DDR5.
Its a ###### quick gaming chip....
Yes I know some people can't see the point but based on the results the 5800X3D is going to outlast most current CPUs. Anyone hesitating should get one imo. I don't see them being made in vast quantities.
Excavator to Zen 1
But in all seriousness you make a good point, however, what if they doubled the L1, L2 and L3 on top of the IPC and clock speed?
You're right, and on day 2 after launch they landed #5 on the forest best sellers list, a lot of people like these, if you're mulling over one just do it, before they are all gone.
There was some other graphs as well and the results are even more interesting. Basically you can use a 5800X3D with low end ram and still get excellent results. Using better ram does bring improvements but they are modest in this game at least. It looks like the large cache mitigates the need for high end ram to get leadership performance.Looks like World of Warcraft is another game that loves 3DVcache, 40-50 FPS improvement over Ryzen 5000 series.
It is only when using the fastest DDR5 memory and disabling e cores that the 12900K can overtake the 5800X3D on average FPS, although it has slightly worse 0.1%'s.
Am I right in thinking you also have to use Windows 11 with the 12900K?
Supposedly. Though I recently heard there are performance issues using Alder Lake with Windows 11 (or maybe it was Windows 10...) due to the big/little configuration. Think it was a HUB video that mentioned it, not sure what to believe tbh.
You don't (not from the benchmarks I've seen), especially in games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBFTSej-yIs
But there are some bugs in other workloads where it uses the wrong cores and there are big performance drops.
Older games can still be problematic with Alder Lake as the developer just isn't updating them, which would be a problem for me as i like quite a lot of older games.
The problem HUB had was he couldn't log in to his MS Flight Sim account on the 12900K system, at least that they reason he game for not including it in the 5800X3D review.
Budget gaming is my thing so I dont think this is worth around £200 (near double) more than a used 5800x but if one wants the best, already on AM4/early Ryzen then a 5800x3d is a no brainer.
I'd like the see the 3d chips in the lineup on release with AM5 but I dont think thats happening but its very impressive how now AMD can release AM5 do nothing for 6-12 months then put some cache on it and call it a day when it comes to gaming while Intel have to do a lot more work doing their tick tock thing.
I know they have to use the 12900k in benchmarks but I dont see the appeal of the 12900k for gaming to me on Alderlake as not only is it expensive youre paying extra money for a little more boost if not overclocking and 4 extra e-cores. The 12700/k and below where its at.
I'd like the see the 3d chips in the lineup on release with AM5 but I dont think thats happening but its very impressive how now AMD can release AM5 do nothing for 6-12 months then put some cache on it and call it a day when it comes to gaming while Intel have to do a lot more work doing their tick tock thing.
I know they have to use the 12900k in benchmarks but I dont see the appeal of the 12900k for gaming to me on Alderlake as not only is it expensive youre paying extra money for a little more boost if not overclocking and 4 extra e-cores. The 12700/k and below where its at.
The same argument could have and in a lot instances was said about Zen 3, you don't need a 5950X for gaming, AMD advertised the 5900X as the gaming CPU which is weird as the 5800X is more often than not slightly faster in games, really that was the best gaming CPU before the 5800X3D.
Intel are doing the same thing, tho to more extremes, they are advertising the 12900K or KS as the best gaming CPU, they are £550 and £750 and they look ridiculous next to the 5800X3D, the thing is Intel always do this, they are stuck in 2017 where the most expensive CPU is also the best gaming CPU because money, even tho AMD wanted you to buy the 5900X for gaming, because its more expensive than the 5800X at least it wasn't the 5950X and now its a CPU that only costs £20 more than the 12700K, this situation is entirely of Intel's own making.
12900K? nah... too expensive
12700K? no its not the best gaming CPU.
5800X3D it is then....
AMD are just using Intel's own game against them.
I'd say AMD are learning from Intel and Nvidia. Sadly to compete that's the way it's got to be. Until there is a change in corporate thinking (highly unlikely) it's here to stay. The onus is on the consumer to not overbuy or buy something you don't really need. I think most of us are guilty of doing that though!
Get waxing your carrot @pete910 
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D On Linux: Not For Gaming, But Very Exciting For Other Workloads.
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D On Linux: Not For Gaming, But Very Exciting For Other Workloads.
Yes, I wish I had one
.Exactly right, the problem is it works and now a lot of reviewers are starting to paint AMD as daemons, sometimes justifiably to some extent like the 6500XT, but often not, often because they aren't selling CPU's that are better than the competition for half the price, as if its AMD's job to meter Intel's pricing, as if AMD have no right to justify thier CPU's by their own merits.
That pees me off because they had a decade opportunity to say something about the decade of nonsense we had from Intel, not only did they chose not to they actively reinforced the problem by parroting Intel "Well you only need 4 cores" for a decade.
BUT WAIT... now AMD are selling a CPU that's as good at productivity and better in gaming than an Intel CPU costing $80 more.... oh crap no that doesn't look good, lets re-frame that, erm? Its more expensive that the previous generation AMD how dare you?!?!?!
I have a word for these people, its to do with pleasuring ones self.
