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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

Notice there’s been a big stock drop somewhere and lo and behold, there’s now copious amounts of these on a site for over £150 markup.

It’s at this stage when scalpers really become obnoxious/shameless. Understandable before, but not now lol
 
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Yeah to say I’m fuming is an understatement, I contacted their CS straight away and said I’d literally just received the notification saying the driver didn’t deliver it and the drop off point is 5 mins down the road, can the driver not just come back and actually deliver it?

But all their CS keep saying was nothing they could do, they’ve logged the complaint and all I can do is collect it tomorrow :mad: usually we have the same driver everything but today of all days different guy.
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I got a very similar response when it happened to me if I recall correctly. As said, was something much less important/exciting but was still angry and complained to CS as there was absolutely no reason why it shouldn’t have been delivered.

Think you must have got really unlucky and got a stand in driver who couldn’t be bothered or something. When it happened to me, it was a drivers name that I didn’t recognise.

I was angry for the very same reason. The driver was minutes away and yet they couldn’t get him to come back. That’s what really got me.

I will say however that I have used virtually every courier going, many times, and DPD on the whole are the most reliable. As said, I think you just got unlucky, and it’s Sod’s Law it had to be with this item.
 
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Yeah I think any other day and the normal driver I’d be sat playing about with a new cpu. I agree out of all the couriers I’ve dealt with DPD are usually the best, but first time for everything I suppose.

Just received my pass to so I can collect it in the morning, unfortunately can’t fit it until the weekend now so will spend a couple of days staring at the box :cry:
 
Mostly it's Evri that do that. They have failed to deliver at my company which is full of people, cars all outside, often people standing outside and they say it was closed.

Noticed some of those scalpers are selling stock they don't have and saying delivery in December at inflated price. I can't believe anyone would actually buy from them. Probably will be stock again in stores at MSRP by Christmas.
 
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Yeah I think any other day and the normal driver I’d be sat playing about with a new cpu. I agree out of all the couriers I’ve dealt with DPD are usually the best, but first time for everything I suppose.

Just received my pass to so I can collect it in the morning, unfortunately can’t fit it until the weekend now so will spend a couple of days staring at the box :cry:
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Oh, the weekend? Damn that sucks. As a very impatient and eager person, you have my sympathies lol.

I’m in a similar situation but different causes. Was supposed to get mine today but the stock came in later than scheduled yesterday so wasn’t shipped until today. I will be at home to take delivery tomorrow but won’t have anytime to actually tinker with it etc. Working until Monday now so won’t have any meaningful time with it until then .

Absolute first world problems, but it still sucks lol
 
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Mostly it's Evri that do that. They have failed to deliver at my company which is full of people, cars all outside, often people standing outside and they say it was closed.

Noticed some of those scalpers are selling stock they don't have and saying delivery in December at inflated price. I can't believe anyone would actually buy from them. Probably will be stock again in stores at MSRP by Christmas.
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Can’t name the site obviously, but the stock drop has been big and delivery is at the end of November. They’re all ordering from there and then just selling them on at a very inflated price as a ‘pre-order’. Absolutely scandalous and shameless.

I don’t defend scalpers at all, but when this CPU first released, it was ‘somewhat’ understandable. It wasn’t originally scalpers that caused the stock issues, it was customs etc. Being one of the very few to get stock and then sell it on as a markup was still scalping by definition, but more understandable as they were very hard to get and it allowed more impatient people to get a chip quickly at a higher price. Time vs money argument.

But now the stock is getting more plentiful, it is absolutely shameful.
 
This doesn't feel like the 3000 series launch where many of us waited for months because there really was little stock. There seems to be quite a bit of stock around it is just taking time to be replaced. These scalpers probably won't sell them, but I guess they don't care as they will just return them or cancel.

@otester Yes Wave two stock was already shipping out on Friday and Monday. Not all of it but the start of it.
 
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This doesn't feel like the 3000 series launch where many of us waited for months because there really was little stock. There seems to be quite a bit of stock around it is just taking time to be replaced. These scalpers probably won't sell them, but I guess they don't care as they will just return them or cancel.

@otester Yes Wave two stock was already shipping out on Friday and Monday. Not all of it but the start of it.
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Not close to 3000 series, no. But still very restrictive and difficult for a CPU launch. I think the biggest issue by a mile has been customs. Which is a UK problem. Due to the first wave of stock being delayed, it creates a massive backlog which then makes it appear that stock is a lot more limited than it actually is.

Saying that, it’s still been very difficult to acquire for a CPU. Even in America which obviously doesn’t have customs issues, the stock was selling out very quickly and not replenishing that fast.

That being said, Americans are extremely lucky that they still have a PC Component presence on the high street and can simply walk into a MicroCenter on launch day and easily get stock.
 
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This doesn't feel like the 3000 series launch where many of us waited for months because there really was little stock. There seems to be quite a bit of stock around it is just taking time to be replaced. These scalpers probably won't sell them, but I guess they don't care as they will just return them or cancel.

@otester Yes Wave two stock was already shipping out on Friday and Monday. Not all of it but the start of it.
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Looks like I'll be waiting til December :(
 
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This doesn't feel like the 3000 series launch where many of us waited for months because there really was little stock. There seems to be quite a bit of stock around it is just taking time to be replaced. These scalpers probably won't sell them, but I guess they don't care as they will just return them or cancel.

@otester Yes Wave two stock was already shipping out on Friday and Monday. Not all of it but the start of it.
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That was an entirely different situation created by nvidia themselves. WHile we though it was a stock shortage, Nvidia were prioritisng and selling in bulk to the cryptominers and crypto farms. Thus creating a shortage. The very little stock they did release to the public were then picked up by scalpers and an odd few true enthusiast who wanted it for gaming.

Secondly Trump placed an embargo on chinese phones and blocked all US companies to work with them. In response the Chinese Doubled/tripled the price of certain minerals. Sadly for us gamers the mineral needed to make any cpu/gpu die 95% of it can only be found in China. You can't synthesise it and there are no alternatives.
 
@Cenuij after playing around a bit more this is where I've ended up.

I'm running a '-25' all core curve optimiser, with a +200 offset. It wouldn't stay stable with a greater offset... '-30' lasted 35 mins with the AIDA64 stress test before dying.

'-25' has just hit 3 hours 50 mins and going strong.

RAM timing and voltages as follows:

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RAM latency at 69-70 n/s.

I'm not really sure how I could improve it from there. All pointers welcome :)

Edit: I spoke too soon… had a crash :o rolling back the FCLK. Not sure whether it’s the low CL that’s stuffing me!
 
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Mine's now all installed in my new build that was waiting for the CPU and thankfully booted to bios first time with no issues!

Haven't really mucked around with any settings yet, just loaded the EXPO RAM profile, disabled the iGPU and ran OCCT to make sure temps were fine.

Idle temps 25-29c today and temps in OCCT went no higher then 65c. In games (BLOPS 6 tested) ran around 50-55c. Using a Coolermaster Masterliquid Atmos 360.

Happy with that overall, now can start to test a few things out over the coming days...
 
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@Cenuij after playing around a bit more this is where I've ended up.

I'm running a '-25' all core curve optimiser, with a +200 offset. It wouldn't stay stable with a greater offset... '-30' lasted 35 mins with the AIDA64 stress test before dying.

'-25' has just hit 3 hours 50 mins and going strong.

RAM timing and voltages as follows:

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RAM latency at 69-70 n/s.

I'm not really sure how I could improve it from there. All pointers welcome :)

Edit: I spoke too soon… had a crash :o rolling back the FCLK. Not sure whether it’s the low CL that’s stuffing me!
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is it A die or M die ?, if its A die, your tRFC ns are way high, for A die you want to be aiming for 120-125ns, is that buildzoids easy DDR5 timings ? if its A die then change your tRFC to 400, also AMD dont use tRFC2 and tRFCsb so those can just be set to 1, you may even need to change both your SCLs to 5, that will bring your ns right down for a start and you latency a little too.

Im running a similar kit at 8000MT/s, but this will give you an idea of what isnt really used in the sub timings unless you're running 4 sticks of ram and can just be set to 1 so it has no effect.

Also voltages are very sensitive on Ryzen, youve got to find the right balance, it could be SOC, VIDDIO (memory controller), VDD or VDDQ which should really be set the same, 1.17v SOC is the minimum I can run to remain stable in memtest pro 1.15v gives me errors, I generally tell people just to set SOC to 1.2v and then adjust it once youve got everything stable, when I was running 6400 CL28 1:1 though I needed 1.28v SOC to keep it stable.

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is it A die or M die ?, if its A die, your tRFC ns are way high, for A die you want to be aiming for 120-125ns, is that buildzoids easy DDR5 timings ? if its A die then change your tRFC to 400, also AMD dont use tRFC2 and tRFCsb so those can just be set to 1, you may even need to change both your SCLs to 5, that will bring your ns right down for a start and you latency a little too.

Im running a similar kit at 8000MT/s, but this will give you an idea of what isnt really used in the sub timings unless you're running 4 sticks of ram and can just be set to 1 so it has no effect.

Also voltages are very sensitive on Ryzen, youve got to find the right balance, it could be SOC, VIDDIO (memory controller), VDD or VDDQ which should really be set the same, 1.17v SOC is the minimum I can run to remain stable in memtest pro 1.15v gives me errors, I generally tell people just to set SOC to 1.2v and then adjust it once youve got everything stable, when I was running 6400 CL28 1:1 though I needed 1.28v SOC to keep it stable.
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Thanks for the pointers :) yes, that's my kit's primary timings, plus the buildzoid secondary etc. timings with tREFI also set to max.

I think I'm throwing too many variables during benchmarking so got rid of PBO and put FCLK back to 6000... ran AIDA64 for 6.5 hours overnight so that's good. Now waiting to see if it can do Cinebench multi-core for 30 minutes without a crash.... hopefully!

What do you recommend for testing RAM stability? Is the AIDA64 stress test decent enough? edit: memtest pro, I guess!
 
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Thanks for the pointers :) yes, that's my kit's primary timings, plus the buildzoid secondary etc. timings with tREFI also set to max.

I think I'm throwing too many variables during benchmarking so got rid of PBO and put FCLK back to 6000... ran AIDA64 for 6.5 hours overnight so that's good. Now waiting to see if it can do Cinebench multi-core for 30 minutes without a crash.... hopefully!

What do you recommend for testing RAM stability? Is the AIDA64 stress test decent enough?
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If you want something free then TM5 is a great test, I use 1usmus profile for initial testing, about 15 passes whilst I'm still making changes, it picks up errors very quickly. https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

To finalize things I use memtest pro overnight and the next night I run the full suite of Y Cruncher overnight.
 
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Anyone in wave 2 received theirs yet?
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My order was datetime stamped as '07.11.2024 14:03:50' and having paid for DPD 'Next Day' delivery, it arrived yesterday afternoon. (I can't remember which 'wave' my order technically falls into, but thought I'd post my experience in case it was helpful to anyone).

My old system was AM4 (5600x etc) so I'd recently purchased a refurbished Asus X670E-Pro Wifi and brand new Corsair Vengeance (2x16GB) 6000 CL28 kit but it meant this stuff was sitting around for a couple of weeks until I had my shiny new AM5 CPU to test it. Thankfully the 4 version old Asus BIOS already supported the CPU, so my main worry didn't come to pass.

I'm just starting to play with the settings to optimise the performance to efficiency balance but so far so good. Currently on '-25' all core curve optimiser with a +200 offset, RAM speed is still stock i.e. not EXPO because I didn't want to introduce multiple variables etc.

My Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II 420 AIO is currently laughing at how little heat the CPU seems to generate, even me thrashing the CPU using OCCT (Linpack, AVX2) to generate maximum heat is only resulting in a maximum CPU temp of 78'C with (stock motherboard fan speed mapping) AIO fan speeds are not exceeding 1300 RPM (so nice and quiet).
 
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