AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X

[Panos]

Companies have been doing this for years. I flashed my Radeon 9800 to a 9800 Pro. It was the exact same hardware but the non-pro had lower voltages to prevent higher clocks. The X58 Asus P6T-SE I'm still running is the exact same board as the P6T, the only difference is that SLI is not supported by the BIOS so the board was cheaper as there was no licence to pay nvidia.

However you didn't pay 9800 pro money for the 9800, and not all of them supported that. Only second generation ones, when the wields were better and ATI didn't chop with laser the core, something NV does.

That period I had a 9700non pro, but made sure to buy a Club 3d with the ram in L positioning on the board. Because with a simple pencil I could make it run as 9700pro. A far more expensive card then back in Greece.

 

[humbug]

Because AMD will likely offer 90% performance at 50% the price. Although I do some gaming, mostly I'm a programmer and now that everything has moved to microservices, for the container/vm work I do, core count is more important than IPC.

Because Intel are already charging a premium for their brand, when you buy a £1000 10 core CPU you expect it to have a lot more PCIe and Memory Expansion than my i5, you don't expect to have half of that ripped out to pay £100 for a key to have some of it put back.

Thats more than just a cheeky money grab..... thats taking the proverbial.

 

[Panos]

Why do you plan on getting Threadripper instead of Intel?

I can tell you

I am software developer, I want more cores for rendering on unity 5, at reasonable price also.
A £1000 16core 4ghz AMD CPU it will always be faster than a 10core 4.8ghz Intel cpu. And I do not want to gamble with deliding it, nor convert my room to a fridge trying to cool it. (like guy on the video).

Yes I will use it for games also, but my recent experience comparing my [email protected] with my 6800@4ghz is zero even on single core games like Wows and wot. Surprisingly they run better on the 6800 (wot and warships) when I run TS and streaming internet radio at the same time. Multi core games are much more better

 

[humbug]

I can tell you

I am software developer, I want more cores for rendering on unity 5, at reasonable price also.
A £1000 16core 4ghz AMD CPU it will always be faster than a 10core 4.8ghz Intel cpu. And I do not want to gamble with deliding it, nor convert my room to a fridge trying to cool it. (like guy on the video).

Yes I will use it for games also, but my recent experience comparing my [email protected] with my 6800@4ghz is zero even on single core games like Wows and wot. Surprisingly they run better on the 6800 (wot and warships) when I run TS and streaming internet radio at the same time. Multi core games are much more better

What really? but but but.... according to Toms Hardware people like you only use AutoCad and Photoshop for '2D rendering' and something called PCMark 8 for your other work and hobby related content projects, so you should be buying an Intel 7700K to shave 3 seconds off those 15 second workloads.

Does Toms Hardware not speak to you as a content creator?

 

[zornyan]

What really? but but but.... according to Toms Hardware people like you only use AutoCad and Photoshop for '2D rendering' and something called PCMark 8 for your other work and hobby related content projects, so you should be buying an Intel 7700K to shave 3 seconds off those 15 second workloads.

Does Toms Hardware not speak to you as a content creator?

what's funny is a 5ghz 7900x would be equal in multi threaded tasks to a 16 core threadripper due to the higher ipc and clock speeds.

each core is essentially 35% faster than the threadripper alternative, meaning the 18 core will significantly faster for workflow

 

[FredFlint]

what's funny is a 5ghz 7900x would be equal in multi threaded tasks to a 16 core threadripper due to the higher ipc and clock speeds.

each core is essentially 35% faster than the threadripper alternative, meaning the 18 core will significantly faster for workflow

The 18 core will not hit 5Ghz and will not be out for some time, I would be surprised if the 7900x gets to 5Ghz on normal cooling.

 

[Hagar]

what's funny is a 5ghz 7900x would be equal in multi threaded tasks to a 16 core threadripper due to the higher ipc and clock speeds.

each core is essentially 35% faster than the threadripper alternative, meaning the 18 core will significantly faster for workflow

How much time is any CPU running at peak frequency. Possibly some servers and some which are purely crunching numbers for a major project.

Personally, there is my thinking time, my keying in input time, only then processing data. Then more of my thinking time considering and checking the output, then printing time.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

How much time is any CPU running at peak frequency. Possibly some servers and some which are purely crunching numbers for a major project.

Personally, there is my thinking time, my keying in input time, only then processing data. Then more of my thinking time considering and checking the output, then printing time.

Plus any place I have worked at which has a decent amount of workstations has them all running at stock anyway.

 

[beany_bot]

How much time is any CPU running at peak frequency. Possibly some servers and some which are purely crunching numbers for a major project.

Personally, there is my thinking time, my keying in input time, only then processing data. Then more of my thinking time considering and checking the output, then printing time.

In my rig rendering Video or playing FSX are the only time the CPU is constantly maxed out.

 

[humbug]

what's funny is a 5ghz 7900x would be equal in multi threaded tasks to a 16 core threadripper due to the higher ipc and clock speeds.

each core is essentially 35% faster than the threadripper alternative, meaning the 18 core will significantly faster for workflow

lol no..... you're stretching those numbers to insane levels to make that argument.

For a start SkyLake IPC is all but a few % the same as Zen, the 7900X has 10 cores, Threadripper has 16, so 60% more.

Threadripper has a base clock of 3.6Ghz, the 7900X 3.3Ghz so Threadripper is at least 60% faster than the 7900X for the same money, it also has 64 PCIe lanes vs 24 in the Intel chip.

If Threadripper overclocks to 4Ghz then the 7900X would have to overclock to 7.25Ghz just to match Threadrippers performance.

PS: even a professional overclocker could not get a binned SkyLake-X to 5Ghz, if you think your just going to pull one off the shelf and get 5Ghz out of it you are deluded. In reality you would probably get 4.6Ghz out of it, thats 15% higher than Threadripper with 60% less cores.

 

[FredFlint]

Threadrippers has 64 PCI-E but some are used for the PCH, Intel has 44 or 28 plus some for the PCH(think its 8 for the PCH?).

 

[humbug]

Threadrippers has 64 PCI-E but some are used for the PCH, Intel has 44 or 28 plus some for the PCH(think its 8 for the PCH?).

No they all have a maximum of ## PCIe lanes, its not that Intel are not listing some, what, modesty? no they are listing all they have.

We actually have 52 but we don't like to tute our own horn so we just list 44.

 

[Curlyriff]

lol no..... you're stretching those numbers to insane levels to make that argument.

For a start SkyLake IPC is all but a few % the same as Zen, the 7900X has 10 cores, Threadripper has 16, so 60% more.

Threadripper has a base clock of 3.6Ghz, the 7900X 3.3Ghz so Threadripper is at least 60% faster than the 7900X for the same money, it also has 64 PCIe lanes vs 24 in the Intel chip.

If Threadripper overclocks to 4Ghz then the 7900X would have to overclock to 7.25Ghz just to match Threadrippers performance.

PS: even a professional overclocker could not get a binned SkyLake-X to 5Ghz, if you think your just going to pull one off the shelf and get 5Ghz out of it you are deluded. In reality you would probably get 4.6Ghz out of it, thats 15% higher than Threadripper with 60% less cores.

This +1 I have only not put zornyan on block because the stuff written by said person is too funny not to have a read.

 

[humbug]

16 core Threadripper Cinebech score @ stock 3.6Ghz = 3083.

Spoiler

10 Core Skylake-X @ 4.3Ghz overclock = 2364.

Spoiler

Also:

Though sadly Asus did also say the 4.3GHz overclock was pretty much as fast as it would go under normal circumstances.

Not happening, Intel's $1000 CPU is miles behind AMD's $850 CPU.

 

[gbgt2]

der8auer managed to hit 5GHz with a 7900X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoies2JcmI

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I guess Zen+ should basically put AMD on par with Intel for single thread performance, another few hundred mhz or so with an IPC boost.

 

[humbug]

der8auer managed to hit 5GHz with a 7900X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoies2JcmI

Yes i know about that, a professional overclocker with the best binned CPU's sent to him by Intel and yet no, he could not get it to 5Ghz, he had to take the Heat Spreader off it. are you going to dissemble a £1000 CPU? and void the warranty in doing so?

He's a PR arm for Intel, of course its all brilliant. Reality, not so much as that.

 

[Rroff]

There are a few who delid £1000+ CPUs for 24x7 running.

 

[humbug]

There are a few who delid £1000+ CPUs for 24x7 running.

A few are also lucky enough to have Intel send them the best binned chips for free.

The rest of us have to find £1000 for off the retail shelves and hope the god of pot luck grant us a golden chip for 5Ghz after dissembling it and voiding the warranty.

Again.... reality is more along the lines of "Though sadly Asus did also say the 4.3GHz overclock was pretty much as fast as it would go under normal circumstances."

 

[Rroff]

when the wields were better and ATI didn't chop with laser the core, something NV does.

nVidia didn't generally laser cut cards until the 7000 onwards - people could unlock many models of the 6000 series to enabled extra vertex pipelines, etc.