AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X

[zornyan]

lol no..... you're stretching those numbers to insane levels to make that argument.

For a start SkyLake IPC is all but a few % the same as Zen, the 7900X has 10 cores, Threadripper has 16, so 60% more.

Threadripper has a base clock of 3.6Ghz, the 7900X 3.3Ghz so Threadripper is at least 60% faster than the 7900X for the same money, it also has 64 PCIe lanes vs 24 in the Intel chip.

If Threadripper overclocks to 4Ghz then the 7900X would have to overclock to 7.25Ghz just to match Threadrippers performance.

PS: even a professional overclocker could not get a binned SkyLake-X to 5Ghz, if you think your just going to pull one off the shelf and get 5Ghz out of it you are deluded. In reality you would probably get 4.6Ghz out of it, thats 15% higher than Threadripper with 60% less cores.

clock for clock ryzen is 10% slower than skylake.

7900x would only operate at base clock if you had no cooler on it, the turbo boost 2.0 is the speed the cpu runs at when at 100% load, so 4.3ghz vs 3.6ghz, (or 4.5ghz in applications that use 1 or 2 cores)

err...he did get 5ghz, with a fairly weak cooler (aio corsair) even replacing the fans with some better ones could drop temps on that thing, an actual good cooler would take it to 5ghz without the delid.

personally I'm after the 7820x anyway, 5ghz on an 8 core just seems absolutely insane to me, glad to see Intel kicking amds arse as usual

 

[Simon Belmont]

personally I'm after the 7820x anyway, 5ghz on an 8 core just seems absolutely insane to me, glad to see Intel kicking amds arse as usual

That's the one I would go for as well.

 

[humbug]

If you had no cooler on it it wouldn't operate at all.

You're exaggerating again.

It was a 280mm Corsair cooler, thats not "fairly weak cooler" it was this one. Hydro Series H115i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
And he had to take the Heat Spreader off and it was a binned chip sent to him by Intel.
Boost 2 will only run at the maximum frequency if the temps and power is within a set limit, its will only do it if the workload is relatively light.
With things like Video encoding and rendering the 7700K doesn't even run at its maximum GPU Boost 2 of 4.3Ghz when all its threads are at 100%, it has 4 cores and a 91 Watt TDP, the 7900X has 10 cores and a 140 TDP. 250% more threads with a 50% higher TDP than the one already constrained by its TDP.

Again... its fantasy. The Hype Train 5.4Ghz+ 7700K's have turned out to be just that too.

Don't get your hopes up like that.

 

[zornyan]

That's the one I would go for as well.

already ordered some extra ddr4 (currently have 2x8gb 3600mhz) so ordered another pair, got my eyes set on the asus rampage extreme to go with it.

incase anyone missed, Intel at E3 announced preorders start next week for up to the 10 core chips, and the 12-18 core chips will have a staggered between August and October ,so roughlt 12-14 in august,- 16-18 October

 

[zornyan]

If you had no cooler on it it wouldn't operate at all.

You're exaggerating again.

It was a 280mm Corsair cooler, thats not "fairly weak cooler" it was this one. Hydro Series H115i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

Boost 2 will only run at the maximum frequency if the temps and power is within a set limit, its will only do it if the workload is relatively light.
With things like Video encoding and rendering the 7700K doesn't even run at its maximum GPU Boost 2 of 4.3Ghz when all its threads are at 100%, it has 4 cores and a 91 Watt TDP, the 7900X has 10 cores and a 140 TDP. 250% more threads with a 50% higher TDP than the one already constrained by its TDP.

Again... its fantasy.

I'm confused by the first line you've written there? but the 7820x is the 8 core cpu. not sure what that has to do with a 7700k?

those 280mm coolers often get outperformed by big air tower coolers like the noctua d-15s, I actually have a h115i, and a kraken x62, both get outperformed temp wise by my d15s. I use the water coolers purely for ascetics, but actually swap out to the air cooler when I go away for a few weeks with work so I can leave my rig on at home 24/7 mining/folding@home and not worry about a leak frying my system.

but yea, those 280mm coolers are generally weak, the fans are pretty bad too, I replaced the stock (loud) corsair ones with noctua fans, which actually knocked 4c off of temps with less noise.

 

[Doobedoo]

personally I'm after the 7820x anyway, 5ghz on an 8 core just seems absolutely insane to me, glad to see Intel kicking amds arse as usual

Not wanting to get into a fanboy war but do you understand the context of what you are saying? Most people know that Intel generally produce faster chips, they really ought to given that have been producing and refining these hips with almost no competition for a decade. They do it because they are a much, much bigger company with far greater resources than Amd has.

AMD has in one generation not multiple over many years like Intel has reduced that gap by a huge margin and is still able to sell it at a much cheaper price with less resources than Intel. Next year with Zen 2 they will reduce it further and again the following year without needing a new chipset.

Most of us can buy an Intel CPU, it doesn't make you special it just means your willing to pay more for a minor advantage.

 

[humbug]

I'm confused by the first line you've written there? but the 7820x is the 8 core cpu. not sure what that has to do with a 7700k?

those 280mm coolers often get outperformed by big air tower coolers like the noctua d-15s, I actually have a h115i, and a kraken x62, both get outperformed temp wise by my d15s. I use the water coolers purely for ascetics, but actually swap out to the air cooler when I go away for a few weeks with work so I can leave my rig on at home 24/7 mining/folding@home and not worry about a leak frying my system.

but yea, those 280mm coolers are generally weak, the fans are pretty bad too, I replaced the stock (loud) corsair ones with noctua fans, which actually knocked 4c off of temps with less noise.

There is always a better cooler, those d15's are just about the best cooler you can get. to say the H115i is weak is just your hyperbolic way of implying the chip will do 5Ghz as a matter of course on almost anything, people used to say the 7700K would do well over 5Ghz as a matter of course, look how that turned out.
You also keep ignoring the fact that he dellided it and he's a professional overclocker with the best binned chip directly from Intel available to him. the reality to any smuck buying these things off the shelves is very very different.

The Hype Train is strong with you.

 

[zornyan]

Not wanting to get into a fanboy war but do you understand the context of what you are saying? Most people know that Intel generally produce faster chips, they really ought to given that have been producing and refining these hips with almost no competition for a decade. They do it because they are a much, much bigger company with far greater resources than Amd has.

AMD has in one generation not multiple over many years like Intel has reduced that gap by a huge margin and is still able to sell it at a much cheaper price with less resources than Intel. Next year with Zen 2 they will reduce it further and again the following year without needing a new chipset.

Most of us can buy an Intel CPU, it doesn't make you special it just means your willing to pay more for a minor advantage.

one generation, that took 5 years....

it's all good saying "look what amd achieved in one generation" but forget that they took half a decade to make it, and the last chip they produced was so terrible in performance it was slower than the phenom II it replaced...

 

[humbug]

one generation, that took 5 years....

it's all good saying "look what amd achieved in one generation" but forget that they took half a decade to make it, and the last chip they produced was so terrible in performance it was slower than the phenom II it replaced...

You've no idea.......

To design a brand new architecture from the ground up takes about 5 years, its also in many ways far in advance of anything Intel have, for a start Intel still rely on Wafer yields for big die chips, Infinity Fabric enables AMD to stitch lots of small high yield chips together as one, that's innovation.

 

[SiDeards73]

I find this whole debate on Intel high core count CPUs hitting 5ghz hilarious.

It's clear he was sent a cherry picked binned CPU, not a farts chance in hell Intel would have given him something to make them look bad. The fact the majority of those CPUs will never hit 5ghz is irrelevant, it's about perception for Intel.

Then we look at who will buy these CPUs , it's an incredibly small market, with an even smaller user base who will overclock them.

Say what you want about AMD but they just owned Intel with Threadripper, it might not be the fastest, but it doesn't need to be, if you understand the market it is aimed at AMD have already won this war.

 

[humbug]

I find this whole debate on Intel high core count CPUs hitting 5ghz hilarious.

It's clear he was sent a cherry picked binned CPU, not a farts chance in hell Intel would have given him something to make them look bad. The fact the majority of those CPUs will never hit 5ghz is irrelevant, it's about perception for Intel.

Then we look at who will buy these CPUs , it's an incredibly small market, with an even smaller user base who will overclock them.

Say what you want about AMD but they just owned Intel with Threadripper, it might not be the fastest, but it doesn't need to be, if you understand the market it is aimed at AMD have already won this war.

He doesn't want his fantasy bubble burst.

Spoiler

Even most much much smaller 7700K's don't do 5Ghz without the Heat Spreader off, but we'll gloss over that.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I find this whole debate on Intel high core count CPUs hitting 5ghz hilarious.

It's clear he was sent a cherry picked binned CPU, not a farts chance in hell Intel would have given him something to make them look bad. The fact the majority of those CPUs will never hit 5ghz is irrelevant, it's about perception for Intel.

Then we look at who will buy these CPUs , it's an incredibly small market, with an even smaller user base who will overclock them.

Say what you want about AMD but they just owned Intel with Threadripper, it might not be the fastest, but it doesn't need to be, if you understand the market it is aimed at AMD have already won this war.

This - only hardware enthusiasts on forums actually think that most of these CPUs actually deployed in the field are actually overclocked - I have worked at places which have dozens of HEDT workstations and they have all ran at stock clockspeeds. If AMD or Intel were really that confident in clockspeeds they would sell SKUs running at much higher clockspeeds and be done with it.

Also considering these will be used mostly for actual work,not playing games on,I would also argue it plays to the strengths of Ryzen since its SMT implementation seems pretty decent.

 

[Yaayuh!]

The speculation is strong here. Hopefully some decent reviews or user experience will bring light and civil debate on this subject. In the meantime please don't turn this section of the forum into what the Graphics section is reknowned for and try and keep the bickering to a minimum.

 

[zornyan]

I find this whole debate on Intel high core count CPUs hitting 5ghz hilarious.

It's clear he was sent a cherry picked binned CPU, not a farts chance in hell Intel would have given him something to make them look bad. The fact the majority of those CPUs will never hit 5ghz is irrelevant, it's about perception for Intel.

Then we look at who will buy these CPUs , it's an incredibly small market, with an even smaller user base who will overclock them.

Say what you want about AMD but they just owned Intel with Threadripper, it might not be the fastest, but it doesn't need to be, if you understand the market it is aimed at AMD have already won this war.

I thought when he did the 6950x back at release he got about 4.4/4.5ghz out of them? so if that was a golden chip, it only got 100mhz higher than the average 6950x.

 

[zornyan]

There is always a better cooler, those d15's are just about the best cooler you can get. to say the H115i is weak is just your hyperbolic way of implying the chip will do 5Ghz as a matter of course on almost anything, people used to say the 7700K would do well over 5Ghz as a matter of course, look how that turned out.
You also keep ignoring the fact that he dellided it and he's a professional overclocker with the best binned chip directly from Intel available to him. the reality to any smuck buying these things off the shelves is very very different.

The Hype Train is strong with you.

well, 5ghz is the average for the 7700k, and you can buy binned ones that do 5.2ghz so that's not far off what was expected is it?

to be honest though I'll be getting this skylake x from silicone lottery so it's pre binned.

 

[Doobedoo]

one generation, that took 5 years....

it's all good saying "look what amd achieved in one generation" but forget that they took half a decade to make it, and the last chip they produced was so terrible in performance it was slower than the phenom II it replaced...

I doubt Intel produced theirs any quicker either but the fat remains they have been refining that process for how long? AMD have made huge leaps in a very short time and are now snapping at Intels heels. Pretty impressive given how bad Bulldozer was wouldn't you agree? Would you not also agree that AMD putting pressure on Intel an only be a good thing for the like of me and you, otherwise that already expensive chip you have your eyes on might have been much more expensive.

However it's interesting to see AMD taking a different approach with their modular design it may well see them reaping the rewards for years to come.

 

[Simon Belmont]

He doesn't want his fantasy bubble burst.

Spoiler

Even most much much smaller 7700K's don't do 5Ghz without the Heat Spreader off, but we'll gloss over that.

It goes the other way as well humbug. AMD fanboys are just as bad. These forums can't all be one sided.

Fanboyism is a cancer on these forums whether it's Intel or AMD.

 

[humbug]

I'm not disputing that ^^^^

well, 5ghz is the average for the 7700k, and you can buy binned ones that do 5.2ghz so that's not far off what was expected is it?

to be honest though I'll be getting this skylake x from silicone lottery so it's pre binned.

What? yet more exaggeration, 5Ghz 7700K's with thier lids intact are rare, 5.2Ghz 7700K's are an extremely rare sight, even 8Pack's signature 7700K is 5.1Ghz and that'll be just about the best 7700K you can get.

Oh and love the preprepared disclaimer there, we all know Intel will send you a bunch of pre-binned CPU's to then bin out of and then claim they are the norm

 

[kedge]

Fanboyism is a cancer on these forums whether it's Intel or AMD.

Price is the only cure.

 

[zornyan]

He doesn't want his fantasy bubble burst.

Spoiler

Even most much much smaller 7700K's don't do 5Ghz without the Heat Spreader off, but we'll gloss over that.

funny, I've got a 7700k at 5.1ghz, never had the heatapreader off and doesn't break past 85c after 2 hours of stress testing.....