^^ You are misunderstanding what I'm saying and what he is saying in the video.
https://youtu.be/3VV_It9kdrs?t=915
https://youtu.be/3VV_It9kdrs?t=915
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AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X
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No you misunderstand. you're assuming i'm reiterating what he is saying, i'm not. I'm telling you what i think.
There is no good reason to reduce the number of threads Ryzen runs on to the same number as the competing CPU, IE to gimp it for said review.
Well maybe but nothing you are saying is actually relevant to my post if you understand what I'm saying and what he is saying in the video so it doesn't really make sense in that respect.
i.e. its irrelevant to my post if 8 core/thread CPUs have been around for a decade or not.
i.e. its irrelevant to my post if 8 core/thread CPUs have been around for a decade or not.
Its makes perfect sense, Ryzen has 16 threads, it will run 7zip on all 16 threads and result much higher performance than the 8 thread 7700K, the only reason you would set 7zip to use no more than 8 threads in a review is to make the 8 thread 7700K look much better against the 16 thread 1800X than it actually is.
I (and the last bit of the video) is talking about the use of 8 threads when the 7700K, etc. were originally benchmarked before Ryzen existed to benchmark. As he notes in the video they've simply reused the 8 core results from all previous CPU reviews rather than rerunning all the CPUs.
Ask yourself why would you set 7zip to use 8 threads when if you leave it alone and don't touch it will use 16 threads if the CPU has 16 threads, or 20 threads... or..... however many the CPU has.
What AdoredTV said makes no sense, i just think he's being too polite, Ryzen was very well know before the 7700K launch, including its MT performance, some say the 7700K was a reaction to Ryzen.
Answer me this, do you ever set 7zip to use x number of threads, for any reason, no, no one does, there is no reason to do it.
Again you are missing what I'm saying and what he is claiming in the video - nothing to do with being polite (well might be an element of that) but you are completely overlooking the premise he is basing it on.
When they originally started doing those tests with 7z they did leave the setting alone - at that point 8 threads was the max on any CPU - more recently CPUs with more threads have come along but rather than redo all their tests they are just reusing all the older results - granted it is ultimately kind of meaningless without also testing what the more recent CPUs can do fully enabled but that is another point.
When they originally started doing those tests with 7z they did leave the setting alone - at that point 8 threads was the max on any CPU - more recently CPUs with more threads have come along but rather than redo all their tests they are just reusing all the older results - granted it is ultimately kind of meaningless without also testing what the more recent CPUs can do fully enabled but that is another point.
You keep saying i'm misunderstanding you but other than pointing me to the video you havent explained yourself at all, so why not do that because i have watched the video and i do not agree with his conclusions.
now, instead of repeating yourself over and over again about how i'm wrong because of your reasoning actually put some reasoning at all into text.
Its pretty plain I can't break it down any more simply than that. Everything you need to understand it is in my posts I can't help you any further than that.
EDIT: I'm not saying anything you are saying of itself is wrong but if you understand what I'm saying your posts are irrelevant/at a tangent to the point I'm making.
EDIT: I'm not saying anything you are saying of itself is wrong but if you understand what I'm saying your posts are irrelevant/at a tangent to the point I'm making.
You haven't said anything at all, you just keep saying "oh look at the video" i have, he's wrong, i have explained why i think he is wrong, stop pointing me to the video as if i agree with him, i don't.
There is no reason to change the thread count in 7zip unless you didn't want it to use all the available performance, threads, thats it, this is why i fundamentally disagree with AdoredTV, i think PcPer could see the writing on the wall and decided to pre-empt Ryzen by making it a review feature to use 8 threads only when reviewing 7zip no matter how many threads the CPU actually has.
Why else would you set it to use only 8 on all of your reviews, you wouldn't set it to limit the number of threads at all.
Do you even use 7zip? do you even know what that is?
..... after all my technical posts on these forums are you seriously asking me that? (as an aside I have quite a bit of coding experience with zlib I think I know what 7zip is
).Because you don't seem to understand there is no reason to set how many threads to use unless you want it to use less than the CPU has.
This is going nowhere you are completely incapable of understanding what I'm talking about. The fact you think I'm pointing to the video as if I think you are agreeing with him (which I'm completely not doing) says it all.
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...-First-Enthusiasts/Compression-and-Encryption
He swapped over on the 6700K BTW - so it would be a bit in the realms of a conspiracy theory to suggest it was done on purpose to pre-empt Ryzen all that time back :O
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...-First-Enthusiasts/Compression-and-Encryption
He swapped over on the 6700K BTW - so it would be a bit in the realms of a conspiracy theory to suggest it was done on purpose to pre-empt Ryzen all that time back :O
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The fact that you keep coming back repeating this over and over again says a lot more.
Lets try this differently, why not explain it again, or to make it even easier for you why not simply quote what you say i don't understand.
And don't tell me there is no point or you cannot be bothered because you're dragging it on this far.
I just don't agree with you. that's all, i understand perfectly what you are on about, you're just wrong.
Are you guys really arguing at 2 in the morning
My life has no concept of time - literally - if you're really bored look at the timestamps on a spread of my posts :|
Insomnia? Or do you just sleep whenever?
Nah just the way my life is one minute I've gotta be up at 6am next I'll be working long hours into the night.
If you don't mind me asking what's your job that your hours change so often?