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AMD to turn the tables on Intel in CPU race?
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Probably the AMD APUs even more. There will be less and less reason for a Core i3.
The Athlon II X4 760K is a £60 quad core and the SR based versions are probably going to cost around the same.
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Lol... You think I'm wound up... I don't get upset over silly things like CPU debates
Diminishing returns?
I wanted to upgrade from my 2500k for crossfire 7950s.
Looked at Ivy and Haswell, looked at a 2700k, price, performance, lol, second hand 2700k it is!
Yes, Intel top end smash it, but they aren't really needed, and if AMD can pull more performance with Mantle, and keep their significant price difference to Intel chips, it could make things interesting.
So it would seem that this is all going to rely on the game developers getting round to utilising more cores on the CPU, ok good luck with that happening anytime soon. Just look how long it has taken to get currant games to use more than 2 cores/threads only now are games being written to use 4 cores/threads let alone 8.
And before people jump in saying that the new consoles have 8 core CPU's in them you do realise that the two outgoing consoles have multi threaded CPU's in them, the Xbox 360 a 3 core/6 thread CPU and the PS3 a 6 core/6 thread+1 smaller core for OS/security use.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's not good but don't expect it to make things better overnight, this could take years to make a noticeable difference to the game we play.
And before people jump in saying that the new consoles have 8 core CPU's in them you do realise that the two outgoing consoles have multi threaded CPU's in them, the Xbox 360 a 3 core/6 thread CPU and the PS3 a 6 core/6 thread+1 smaller core for OS/security use.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's not good but don't expect it to make things better overnight, this could take years to make a noticeable difference to the game we play.
I dont think intel should worry quite yet the i7 is still the better cpu and mantle wont change that.
What mantle can change is the reduction of need for brute power in suported games and this is amazing.
Perhaps if you only ever play mantle suported games then the amd cpu is all your ever going to need. Which will be great for budget builds
Nivida should Perhaps be more concerned
What mantle can change is the reduction of need for brute power in suported games and this is amazing.
Perhaps if you only ever play mantle suported games then the amd cpu is all your ever going to need. Which will be great for budget builds
Nivida should Perhaps be more concerned
That's what I was thinking.
If a Piledrive at 2ghz can provide enough performance then it will probably make high end i3's sufficient for gaming.
Why spew this rubbish when it has been constantly stated and re-stated by AMD, developers and anyone with any knowledge of it that Mantle is specifically coded to make use of 8+ cores and do so very efficiently. It's all about scaling with threads and parallelism.
How on earth do you come up with an i3 being 'competitive', when it's a product with 2 physical cores and in some cases 4 logical cores with HT enabled.
It's the absolute opposite. The gulf in potential performance, only widens, and widens massively.
As for others claiming that AMD are pretty much eliminating the gaming CPU market, nothing could be further from the truth. They're finally removing the Wintel handicap from their CPUs, optimising heavily for their many core approach, whilst presumably also raising theoretical performance for Intel processors (though not specifically optimising for it). This should be the biggest increase in competition ever, for the gaming market, and by far the most compelling argument to drive sales of chips with more than 4 cores / threads.
It's perfectly true that games like BF4 will suddenly find themselves with a huge number of free CPU cycles on more powerful chips, but this wasn't a game designed with this kind of performance in mind. It will only be being improved with Mantle. Ambitious developers who have access to Mantle earlier in the development cycle will definitely find use for all that unbottled CPU time.
CPUs with less than 8 threads look like a vastly worse prospect for gaming than they did 2 days ago.
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True, but I believe his point relates to that increased gulf of potential not subsequently being needed, at least for gaming.
But yes, it wont stop similarly priced AMD chips being better overall value than similarly priced gimped i3 chips.
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It looks good. But I will wait and see as things like this have been said before several times.
Also with AMD being so set on being open unlike most companies, it can only be good for everyone if it's as good as it says.
Also with AMD being so set on being open unlike most companies, it can only be good for everyone if it's as good as it says.
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I don't think you actually understood the post, but I won't let that get in the way of the rant.
We'll wait until Mantle's out, but the i3 is going to get a boost in performance, it's not going to go backwards now is it? I didn't say it'd be competitive neither.
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Please tell me you don't think that Mantle will only work with 8+ core/thread chips.
You do realise that out of the 27 AMD CPU's for sale on this very site only 6 have more than 4 cores/threads and only 4 of them 8 cores/threads, none of the upcoming Kavari APU's will have more than 4 cores/threads.
If Mantle requires a 8 core/thread chip then it would be dead in the water before it is even launched.
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If they're getting to the GPU bottleneck with only the performance of 8 PD cores at 2GHZ, then even if something like an i3/i5 doesn't perform to the exact same standard, what performance they did offer per core is still going to go up.
I also don't see how they're going to widen the gap, at the i7/PD 8 core level, the gap will be seemingly gone, as they're at the GPU bottleneck according to their quote with a 2GHZ PD 8 core.
But I don't pretend to know all the mojo, so I'm just going to sit and wait with a silly grin on my face like it's Christmas.
I also don't see how they're going to widen the gap, at the i7/PD 8 core level, the gap will be seemingly gone, as they're at the GPU bottleneck according to their quote with a 2GHZ PD 8 core.
But I don't pretend to know all the mojo, so I'm just going to sit and wait with a silly grin on my face like it's Christmas.
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But but but... If CPUs are now being bottlenecked by the top end GPUs, what excuse will we have to upgrade?
Have AMD just negated the need for me to buy a CPU from them (or Intel) at any point in the near future?
Could this mean AMD CPUs will be a viable option for Guild Wars 2?
Or is Guild Wars 2 not going to support Mantle?
Does anyone still play GW2?
Should be interesting to see how much improved video encoding is with Mantle!
Although video encoding doesn't really use GPUs so I guess that wont be a bottleneck.
Guess it also means video encoders won't bother with Mantle.
Makes me think there may be more to computing than playing games. Maybe some of these other activities will still be poor on AMD CPUs compared to Intel ones.
So no, I don't think AMD have.
Wait, did I just fall foul of a troll thread...
Have AMD just negated the need for me to buy a CPU from them (or Intel) at any point in the near future?
Could this mean AMD CPUs will be a viable option for Guild Wars 2?
Or is Guild Wars 2 not going to support Mantle?
Does anyone still play GW2?
Should be interesting to see how much improved video encoding is with Mantle!
Although video encoding doesn't really use GPUs so I guess that wont be a bottleneck.
Guess it also means video encoders won't bother with Mantle.
Makes me think there may be more to computing than playing games. Maybe some of these other activities will still be poor on AMD CPUs compared to Intel ones.
So no, I don't think AMD have.
Wait, did I just fall foul of a troll thread...
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I would really love it if i could add a 290x to my current setup and go Crossfire without a bottleneck.
Though i am doubtful of this, it would be so awesome.
Though i am doubtful of this, it would be so awesome.
The way hardware and software are intertwined, we will come to think of today's max settings and effects as mid-range. The extra grunt available will always be eyed hungrily by top developers. It won't happen overnight though, 3-4 years maybe. In the meantime the few games that make full use of Mantle might have some crazy low requirements comparitively, but don't panic, you will still need an i7.
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