Those components are still needed to produce the dimms so until that supply catches then DDR5 will be in short supply and with demand for DDR5 growing all the time especially when AM5 comes out and only using DDR5 I can't see the situation improving anytime soon.
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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022
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Soldato
H2 '22 that is the time frame for the components to be in better supply, and AM5 isn't happening until Q3, but more likely Q4. I know you love to doom monger if it is anything to do with AMD, but you are barking up the wrong tree this time.
How many AM4 boards have you bought though altogether in that time?
They said the same about Gpus this time last year and look how that's worked out and we all know better supply doesn't automatically mean the end of a shortage but rather things will start to improve but we also know when AM5 drops then demand is going to increase substantially given everyone jumping on the bandwagon will require DDR5.
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Lower operating voltages on the dimms needs tighter / better control of the voltage supply to the chips. It’s likely an area that will differentiate performance / quality between products.
i reckon it will also free up space on the main board that might allow more scope for better signal path traces for the higher speeds coming along.
Interesting. Didn’t know yields had reached those levels.
Soldato
Really? Comparing some SMD's to multi billion transistor silicon chips, that is being driven by greed, not by shortage due to true demand outside of the mining sector.
Will see actual demand when laptops and servers move to DDR5, but consumer desktop, and especially enthusiast is almost irrelevant in terms of volume.
Soldato
I'm sorry, didn't you say a few posts back that AM5 wasn't going to sell? So if the boards don't sell then there's no increase in demand.
Make up your damn mind son. Pick a topic for your trolling and whinging and stick to it.
There will be enough AMD diehards with deep pockets or little common sense to drive early demand as we saw with Zen 3 when people were paying scalpers £500 for the 5600X and over £1000 for the 5950X, whether or not this continues over the long term is another thing.
So basically like what Intell has been doing for decades then ? Or even on the GPU front too!
I had the Crosshair VIII Formula since its release, prior to that i had a X370 which i bought on launch day back in Feb 2017. So in 5 years 2 motherboards. Like i said though if i wanted i could have got a X470 which would have lasted 4 years and 4 Generations of CPU. Regardless of my purchase history the fact remains that Intel just do not offer that sort of longevity with their platforms which is why i do not see them as the value option, at least not for the enthusiast that likes upgrading their CPU's
FYI i got my 5950X at MRSP 8 weeks after launch
Buying 2 boards in 5 years though isn't much different to buying 2 in 4 years with Intel and also buying a £500 Asus X570 board then going on about value for money is amusing.
Soldato
He was giving you an honest example. I bought a B450 and can plop in another ryzen, having had the board for nearly three years... its pretty obvious and there is history to prove it that intel do not offer such longevity!
Like i said it is not about my purchase history. It is the fact that if a person wanted to they could have bought a AM4 board and had 4 years of use with 4 generations of upgrades. That is the VALUE option, it aint rocket science
You really do not understand do you
Looking forward to AMD catching up to Intel on feature parity with PCI-Ev5, DDR5 etc. Presuming that Zen4 will end up competing with Meteor Lake late in 2022, though would not be surprised to see both get delayed to 2023 what with the continued supply chain issues.
Next year we'll see Intel's new architecture, Raptor Lake, and Zen3 refresh.
Next year we'll see Intel's new architecture, Raptor Lake, and Zen3 refresh.
What is new about the Raptor Lake architecture? All i can see is that it is a refresh with possibly some more cores. Pretty certain you will find both AM5 and Raptor lake being released Q3 or Q4 latest
I corrected your post, you can thank me later, it is new year, alcohol is still in effect so i understand.
They could have also bought a Z370 with an 8700k for around £550 then sold it 4 years later for £300 and bought a 12700k with a Z690 £550 for a total spend of £800 vs someone who bought 1700X and x370 for £550 sold just the 1700X for £120 assuming they got lucky with an asrock board that supported ryzen 5000 and bought a 5900X at release for £510 for a total spend of £940 but then you have the guys who didnt get 5000 support on their X370 so would have had to sell those and get another board so you could add another £100 on for them.
How has AMD been any better value than Intel especially when the guy with the 8700k > 12700k would have enjoyed the superior performance for the majority of that time compared to the guy who bought into AM4 which had just one year at the top.
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Raptor Lake is more like polished, finished ADL a.k.a final version, ADL is beta test version of big/little architecture, so i don't expect huge IPC increase from RPL, only more of little cores, and unfortunately still only 8 big ones. Zen 4 will have more big cores plus better v-cache integration that further increase gaming performance atop of IPC increase that should be at minimum same as RPL.
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