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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

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Joxeon said:
They could have also bought a Z370 with an 8700k for around £550 then sold it 4 years later for £300 and bought a 12700k with a Z690 £550 for a total spend of £800 vs someone who bought 1700X and x370 for £550 sold just the 1700X for £120 assuming they got lucky with an asrock board that supported ryzen 5000 and bought a 5900X at release for £510 for a total spend of £940 but then you have the guys who didnt get 5000 support on their X370 so would have had to sell those and get another board so you could add another £100 on for them.

How has AMD been any better value than Intel especially when the guy with the 8700k > 12700k would have enjoyed the superior performance for the majority of that time compared to the guy who bought into AM4 which had just one year at the top.
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You just do not get it do you. X470 would have provided 4 years of AM4 support and 4 generations of CPU upgrades, no need to buy a motherboard just swap out the CPU. You are beginning t make yourself look silly with al these comments about AMD value
 
Gondar said:
Raptor Lake is more like polished, finished ADL a.k.a final version, ADL is beta test version of big/little architecture, so i don't expect huge IPC increase from RPL, only more of little cores, and unfortunately still only 8 big ones. Zen 4 will have more big cores plus better v-cache integration that further increase gaming performance atop of IPC increase that should be at minimum same as RPL.
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Thats what i thought, Dave keeps refering to it as a new architecture though and was wondering if i missed something
 
cliffy said:
You just do not get it do you. X470 would have provided 4 years of AM4 support and 4 generations of CPU upgrades, no need to buy a motherboard just swap out the CPU. You are beginning t make yourself look silly with al these comments about AMD value
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I've shown you the math and really it's no different if you bought a X470 or X370, the moment you bought a 5000 series CPU the value dips below what Intel offered regardless which is the point I'm trying to make and also spare a thought for those early AM4 adopters on 300 series boards who got the shaft from AMD... I certainly won't be buying the first gen of AM5.
 
Stop trolling now Joxeon. Many posters have repeatedly presented actual facts which disprove your foaming conspiracies. You're just thread trashing now. However warped and outright wrong it may be, you've made your point. You're not going to convince anybody, and you're not going to listen. So incredibly tiresome.

So kindly just move along now, there's nothing further to add.
 
LePhuronn said:
Stop trolling now Joxeon. Many posters have repeatedly presented actual facts which disprove your foaming conspiracies. You're just thread trashing now. However warped and outright wrong it may be, you've made your point. You're not going to convince anybody, and you're not going to listen. So incredibly tiresome.

So kindly just move along now, there's nothing further to add.
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I'm the one whose actually been posting the facts, you on the other hand have not presented a solid argument against which is why you have to resort to turning the argument against me personally because you can't win the debate.
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
Any leaks on the new enhanced cpus for tomorrow's conference? I've seen some stuff on WCCF but they're only talking about the 8 core stuff boosting to 5ghz.
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Nothing really yet especially about the desktop parts.

My own speculation is we'll see 1 or 2 of the 12/16 core chips featuring Vcache and then possibly a 95w 5600X replacement with the original chip seeing a price cut and either a 5700X or a slightly better clocking 5800X replacement SKU.
 
Joxeon said:
I'm the one whose actually been posting the facts, you on the other hand have not presented a solid argument against which is why you have to resort to turning the argument against me personally because you can't win the debate.
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It is the first sentence of every troll on the internet :D, only his comments are true etc etc. The only thing we can all agree on is that we disagree, any future debate about who is right is meaningless.
 
Joxeon said:
Nothing really yet especially about the desktop parts.

My own speculation is we'll see 1 or 2 of the 12/16 core chips featuring Vcache and then possibly a 95w 5600X replacement with the original chip seeing a price cut and either a 5700X or a slightly better clocking 5800X replacement SKU.
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Ah OK. Not long to wait now anyway. I need to upgrade my 3950x as I feel its really holding back my 3090.
 
Joxeon said:
I'm the one whose actually been posting the facts, you on the other hand have not presented a solid argument against which is why you have to resort to turning the argument against me personally because you can't win the debate.
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Was my comment about the longevity of the X470 chipset for 4 generations of CPU not factually correct? It could actually be 5 generations come tomorrow too.IS this not factual, i would suggest it could be more factual then speculation about second hand prices nut hey ho, cannot be bothered debate with someone who is uninterested in others opinions
 
cliffy said:
Was my comment about the longevity of the X470 chipset for 4 generations of CPU not factually correct? It could actually be 5 generations come tomorrow too.IS this not factual, i would suggest it could be more factual then speculation about second hand prices nut hey ho, cannot be bothered debate with someone who is uninterested in others opinions
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You were saying that AMD offers better value than Intel because you can drop multiple CPUs in the same board but really with the higher cost of AMDs new chips and the higher resale value of older Intel parts it really doesn't work out any better value which was the point I was trying to make.
 
But no one is buying an 8700K+board for £300, unless you dumped £250+ on a high-end Z370 Asus board, when you can get a B560 + 11400F for less with RAM brand new, so your point was totally exaggerated.
 
Journey said:
But no one is buying an 8700K+board for £300, unless you dumped £250+ on a high-end Z370 Asus board, when you can get a B560 + 11400F for less with RAM brand new, so your point was totally exaggerated.
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The point still stands even if you blew £250 on an expensive board it only adds £70 to the total which still comes in cheaper than AMD and bare in mind I used the cheaper 1700X in the price comparison for AMD and not the higher priced flagship 1800X.
 
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