AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

Cyber-Mav · 3 Jan 2022 at 14:54

hope they do a 3 core version to suit my budget then lol.

JamesH85 · 3 Jan 2022 at 14:58

Think at £40 per core that would be out of my budget, i'll have to see closer to the time, sitting with a 3600 atm.

jigger · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:02

AMD have done tri cores in the past. Not sure I’d pay £120 though. Three cores with a big chunk of RDNA2 graphics might be interesting.

humbug · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:06

Joxeon said:
Probably not quite the deal as those who bought the chip new for £300 and a 300 series board which got blocked by AMD in supporting the 5000 series despite those early adopters being told they would get full AM4 CPU support.

And there was outrage about it which forced AMD to change that, that is consumer action working for them, and yet you and people like you hypocritically refuse to criticise Nvidia for 8GB £600 GPU's.

jigger · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:23

When is the AMD presentation?

Joxeon · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:25

humbug said:
And there was outrage about it which forced AMD to change that, that is consumer action working for them, and yet you and people like you hypocritically refuse to criticise Nvidia for 8GB £600 GPU's.

I'm more than happy to criticise Nvidia for the over priced Gpus and never recommend anyone buying one other than an FE version unless they are desperate and can't wait for the drops.

gpuerrilla · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:34

Not really a solution though is it? I mean without AIB stock the populous all hawking over the FE's would be unreal.

Just factor in pricing using AIB models to reflect reality.

jigger · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:39

gpuerrilla said:
Not really a solution though is it? I mean without AIB stock the populous all hawking over the FE's would be unreal.

Just factor in pricing using AIB models to reflect reality.

FE cards are 99% vapourware.

gpuerrilla · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:47

jigger said:
FE cards are 99% vapourware.

I have been checking prices regularly over the usual mainstream UK retailers the past year. What I can tell you is most nvidia AIB stock goes OOS, so that indicated even though say the 3080 LHR editions get listed for £1100, they sell.

So why pro nvidia defenders keep referring to 'only get an FE in my arguments' is senseless as the common buyer is paying around double what the FE cards go for. Agree that just because you 'can' buy one in the bot driven drops from the one retailer doesn't make it a true reflection of what's happening. Even HU seem to think their year roundup referencing the MSRP which is bull.

jigger · 3 Jan 2022 at 15:51

gpuerrilla said:
I have been checking prices regularly over the usual mainstream UK retailers the past year. What I can tell you is most nvidia AIB stock goes OOS, so that indicated even though say the 3080 LHR editions get listed for £1100, they sell.

So why pro nvidia defenders keep referring to 'only get an FE in my arguments' is senseless as the common buyer is paying around double what the FE cards go for. Agree that just because you 'can' buy one in the bot driven drops from the one retailer doesn't make it a true reflection of what's happening. Even HU seem to think their year roundup referencing the MSRP which is bull.

Even bots fail to complete purchases. The average buyer has almost zero chance.

Perfect_Chaos · 4 Jan 2022 at 06:50

LePhuronn said:
This again. Since you don't foam at the mouth like others here, please give us your take on how AMD have been "overcharging quite a bit" for some of their CPUs?

Note that "have been" is past tense, so let's not bring Alder Lake into this just yet.

Apple's prices isn't really relevant here either. Although I too think they massively took the pish with prices in the Intel era, as a Mac user (secondary systems and cross-platform development) there is an awful lot you get as part of the buy into the Apple experience which to some is worth the premium.

I found the launch prices of Zen 3 fairly high, more so for the 5800x. I guess you could argue that they deserved the money for the 16 core chip if you could really make use of it though.

jigger said:
Seems like AMD are moving production to free up 7nm manufacturing. Finger crossed that is to ease constraints. Although I’m sure you don’t really care.

I do, i just don't want even higher prices. I also don't want to see AMD release CPUs that have more cores than the competition but lacking in per core performance. It's not that i like Intel more than AMD, I'd like for AMD to do a 12700k style chip in terms of price/performance and be better than that again overall. But others (humbug?) here have mentioned that AMD won't be aiming for those kinds of levels of price/performance anymore.

NinjaCool · 4 Jan 2022 at 09:00

Bunch of new AMD leaks coming out from Videocardz.
5800X3D (3D Cache) will likely launch in Q2 and Zen4 (5nm) is now set for the second half of 2022.
New laptops will have USB4, PCIe4, DDR5/LPDDR5, WiFi 6E, readiness for DisplayPort 2, AV1 media decoder.

AMD releases 10 Ryzen 6000 mobile CPUs
Ryzen CPUs based on 6nm Zen3+ microarchitecture.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-announces-ryzen-6000-mobile-cpus-based-on-6nm-zen3-rembrandt-silicon

AMD reveals Zen4 Raphael CPU design
CES 2022 will include Desktop Ryzen CPUs with 3D V-Cache and next-gen Ryzen with Zen4 architecture.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-con...-launches-this-spring-zen4-raphael-in-2h-2022

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Grim5 · 4 Jan 2022 at 09:04

More delays again for 3D cache, AMD says it's now launching in Spring 2022.

At this rate, 3D cache CPUs will end up launching like 3 months before Zen 4

willhub · 4 Jan 2022 at 09:30

Cyber-Mav said:
will your b350 board even take a 5000 series?

No, new mobo needed. Will need to consider upgrading I'm pretty sure this 3700x is hindering this 3080ti

jigger · 4 Jan 2022 at 09:59

Perfect_Chaos said:
I found the launch prices of Zen 3 fairly high, more so for the 5800x. I guess you could argue that they deserved the money for the 16 core chip if you could really make use of it though.

I do, i just don't want even higher prices. I also don't want to see AMD release CPUs that have more cores than the competition but lacking in per core performance. It's not that i like Intel more than AMD, I'd like for AMD to do a 12700k style chip in terms of price/performance and be better than that again overall. But others (humbug?) here have mentioned that AMD won't be aiming for those kinds of levels of price/performance anymore.

AMD have a chips like the 12700k two years ago. It’s going to be OK.

Joxeon · 4 Jan 2022 at 10:00

Maybe AMD had to go with Vcache on the 5800X as it was the only chip that they could add the cache too without seeing the extra gaming performance muted by clock regression. For price though I'm thinking it'll be atleast $499

jigger · 4 Jan 2022 at 10:02

Joxeon said:
Maybe AMD had to go with Vcache on the 5800X as it was the only chip that they could add the cache too without seeing the extra gaming performance muted by clock regression.

Maybe AMD added v-cache because that’s the direction the industry is headed.

Toasty · 4 Jan 2022 at 10:11

Looks like server Milan X demand is too high if we are only getting 5800X3D later than expected.

cliffy · 4 Jan 2022 at 10:32

Grim5 said:
More delays again for 3D cache, AMD says it's now launching in Spring 2022.

At this rate, 3D cache CPUs will end up launching like 3 months before Zen 4

What delays are these? Were was the announcement that 3D would be available at a earlier time?

LePhuronn · 4 Jan 2022 at 10:35

AMD have never said when the V cache refresh was coming out. All that was ever said was "into production end of 2021". So it's a bit of a stretch to say "oh, delayed again" when there was never a release date stated in the first place.