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The vrm thing is getting dumb. They’re just making them way overkill so they increase the board asp. Wanna be diy enthusiasts just assume bigger vrm = better board.
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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022
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Intels monolithic chips cost more and more to manufacture so the margins on these parts are much lower than say AMDs cheaper chiplet designs which rather than passing the savings on to the consumer were sold for very high margins especially for the first year after Zen 3 released.
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Do they cost more to manufacture? Intel produces it's own chips so the cost of production cost is only needs to cover the development amortization (likely over 7 years) and building cost of the fab whereas AMD is paying TSMC a markup on each chip sold.
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Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, but do we have any indication of how long an AM5 motherboard will remain relevant?
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On a per square MM basis, we'll likely not know (I'm certainly not diving into the financials). Intel make everything, more or less, in house. TSMC have multiple manufacturing customers to spread their process advancement and refinement costs with and the door is open to use GloFo/Samsung. As an educated guess, I'd say AMD are making a not dissimilar profit per sq MM than Intel, with significantly lower overheads. Volume is the kicker, but that's a guess
Atleast 2 generations.
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Only 15% uplift v zen 3. RL is going to smash it.
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AMD Ryzen 7000 desktop series to offer over 15% single-thread uplift, launch this fall - VideoCardz.com
AMD introduces Ryzen 7000 series at Computex 2022 AMD confirms its Ryzen 7000 series are to launch this fall. Unfortunately there are no SKUs names or a launch date for Ryzen 7000 series, but tomorrow AMD is introducing its next-gen mainstream desktop series alongside X670E, X670 and B650...
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15% sounds low. Worst case or sandbagging? Makes me feel happy with my 5800X3D if trueOnly 15% uplift v zen 3. RL is going to smash it.
AMD Ryzen 7000 desktop series to offer over 15% single-thread uplift, launch this fall - VideoCardz.com
AMD introduces Ryzen 7000 series at Computex 2022 AMD confirms its Ryzen 7000 series are to launch this fall. Unfortunately there are no SKUs names or a launch date for Ryzen 7000 series, but tomorrow AMD is introducing its next-gen mainstream desktop series alongside X670E, X670 and B650...
Maybe it's 15% over Alderlake.Only 15% uplift v zen 3. RL is going to smash it.
AMD Ryzen 7000 desktop series to offer over 15% single-thread uplift, launch this fall - VideoCardz.com
AMD introduces Ryzen 7000 series at Computex 2022 AMD confirms its Ryzen 7000 series are to launch this fall. Unfortunately there are no SKUs names or a launch date for Ryzen 7000 series, but tomorrow AMD is introducing its next-gen mainstream desktop series alongside X670E, X670 and B650...
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Zen 3 they compared to zen 2.
It does say in the article they don't what the 15% is in relation to. It certainly would be a disapointment if zen 4 is only 15% faster than Zen 3 considering its on a new node and has had almost 2 years to prep.
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Can't disagree there, it would be a disappointment in relation to how long it has taken to release.
I'm not fond of the 3D chips coming close to the next Zen release either, I'd rather they release new Zen sooner since it's an all around boost and not specific things.
Happy to wait for Meteor Lake if this turns out a bit of a dud release, but I'd be surprised if that happens. There's also a chance Intel has better price performance, but no upgrade path with RPL.
Seems t low based on the rumours. I know rumours are to be taken with a pinch of salt but there were to many pointing at a higher margin. New architecture and better node i just cannot se it being only 15%
Just seen teh article, it is not "only 15%" it is over 15% indicating that is the lowest margin, it does nto state the upper range
Not necessarily if the clockspeeds also go up by 20+%.Only 15% uplift v zen 3. RL is going to smash it.
AMD Ryzen 7000 desktop series to offer over 15% single-thread uplift, launch this fall - VideoCardz.com
AMD introduces Ryzen 7000 series at Computex 2022 AMD confirms its Ryzen 7000 series are to launch this fall. Unfortunately there are no SKUs names or a launch date for Ryzen 7000 series, but tomorrow AMD is introducing its next-gen mainstream desktop series alongside X670E, X670 and B650...
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The 5800X3D is upto 15% faster than 5800X. Next gen is at least 15% faster still. So 30% faster than a 5800X. That kind of generational gain has been unheard of for well over a a decade. Why the disappointment?
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It just says 15% single threaded uplift, we have to assume that is over Ryzen 5000.
And there it is
the thing is Ryzen 5000 already boosts to around 5Ghz ST, how much higher should we expect it to boost? most of that 15% will come from IPC, it does seem a little low but if the slide is real that's it.
And there it is
the thing is Ryzen 5000 already boosts to around 5Ghz ST, how much higher should we expect it to boost? most of that 15% will come from IPC, it does seem a little low but if the slide is real that's it.
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