AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

[humbug]

Ok, Christ....

The Headline

"AMD are becoming Intel"

Because they are making you change the platform.
The AM4 platform is now 5 years old, so they are making you change it after 5 years, this is not at all like Intel who make you change it after 2 years.

AMD list a TDP of 170 watts now, given Intel are closer to the given TDP in real world aplications i expect the power consumption to be around 200 watts.

For the 5950X AMD list the TDP at 105 watts, actual power consumption 120 watts
For the 12900K the TDP is listed at 125 watts, actual power consumption 240 watts

Measured at the EPS rail, Gamers Nexus.

Again, nothing at all like Intel and its Intel who are much further away from the real power consumption than AMD.

This is an example of what i'm talking about when i say tech journalists don't know what they are talking about, the only thing they are good for is creating click bait.

And some of us keep falling for it....

 

[ltron]

X3D is only 8 cores so you don't want that for content creation.

There is rumoured to be a 16 core version this time too.

 

[ltron]

x3D will probably go the same way give gaming gains but reduced creation , I feel they will release x3D on 7800x having x3D on higher core count chip doesnt do much for creation work and games dont benefit from more cores thats why I think it will be on 8 cores 7800x

Rumours are saying both 8 cores and 16 cores and the X3D technology is significantly improved. AMD don't want you to have to make compromises this time.

 

[HACO]

Ok, Christ....

The Headline

"AMD are becoming Intel"

Because they are making you change the platform.
The AM4 platform is now 5 years old, so they are making you change it after 5 years, this is not at all like Intel who make you change it after 2 years.



For the 5950X AMD list the TDP at 105 watts, actual power consumption 120 watts
For the 12900K the TDP is listed at 125 watts, actual power consumption 240 watts

Measured at the EPS rail, Gamers Nexus.

Again, nothing at all like Intel and its Intel who are much further away from the real power consumption than AMD.

This is an example of what i'm talking about when i say tech journalists don't know what they are talking about, the only thing they are good for is creating click bait.

And some of us keep falling for it....

The video was completely nonsensical. I stopped watching after a couple of minutes.

People needed new motherboards with DDR5, so AMD moved to AM5 as it was the perfect opportunity to upgrade the socket as well. They did the same thing with AM4 and DDR4. This is literally AMD being AMD

 

[Gerard]

Ok, Christ....

The Headline

"AMD are becoming Intel"

Because they are making you change the platform.
The AM4 platform is now 5 years old, so they are making you change it after 5 years, this is not at all like Intel who make you change it after 2 years.



For the 5950X AMD list the TDP at 105 watts, actual power consumption 120 watts
For the 12900K the TDP is listed at 125 watts, actual power consumption 240 watts

Measured at the EPS rail, Gamers Nexus.

Again, nothing at all like Intel and its Intel who are much further away from the real power consumption than AMD.

This is an example of what i'm talking about when i say tech journalists don't know what they are talking about, the only thing they are good for is creating click bait.

And some of us keep falling for it....

6 years for am4, released Sept 2016.


If that moron can't see the need for change after 6 years he may as well close his channel.

 

[Curlyriff]

Interesting seeing amd move to Intel's tick tock approach for motherboards. Support to 2025 and the time the CPUs are out we are going to be into 2023, only 2 years of support then onto amd6. Not only that but not a single benchmark of the 5800x3d Vs the 7700x? Are they worried that there competing with themselves?

Kinda confused but definitely will be interesting when gamer nexus gets the reviews out.

Huh, why 2023 when out? CPUs are out September? So you get this gen and at least another 2 generations before a socket change. Plus it says + which just means they are going to be locked into something happening come 2026, which likely will have PCIE 6.0 by then anyways since they had already finalised spec Jan 2022 for that giving them well over 4yrs to get that out to consumers.

 

[ltron]

6 years for am4, released Sept 2016.


If that moron can't see the need for change after 6 years he may as well close his channel.

They only promised support until 2020 but gave us more which was nice.

 

[Grim5]

More new details, comes from interview Lisa did with PC Gamer

* Yes Zen4 has an iGPU, it's not very powerful at 0.5tflops of compute (same as a Nintendo switch and a bit under 0.7tflops Intels iGPU on 12th gen has). It has 2 cores and can do encode and decode, display output to monitors for business use or at home diagnostic use or for when you need your PC but don't have a discrete GPU yet.

* AM5 is supported through till at least the end of 2025 and will therefore support for at least four generations of zen CPUs (four generations being: Zen4, Zen4 3D, Zen5 and Zen5 3D)

* Supply will be good this time, Lisa says they have a lot more wafers and substrates than at Zen3 launch and the only hold up is shipping times and not manufacturing time. Because shipping can be slow, she decided to launch Zen4 one month after today's announcement to give enough time for Zen4 CPUs to ship all around the world so come the 27th everyone who wants one can get one.

AMD's 5nm Zen 4 CPUs Including Ryzen 7000 Not To Be Hindered By Supply Constraints, AM5 Socket To Be Supported Through & Beyond 2025

During an interview with AMD after the Ryzen 7000 Unveil, the company confirmed that its 5nm Zen 4 CPUs won't face any supply constraints.

wccftech.com

 

[scotty63]

I like the IHS! Dead chunky looking, Shame to have to cover it up with a cooler!

 

[HACO]

More new details, comes from interview Lisa did with PC Gamer

* Yes Zen4 has an iGPU, it's not very powerful at 0.5tflops of compute (same as a Nintendo switch)

* AM5 is supported through till at least the end of 2025 and will therefore support for at least four generations of zen CPUs (four generations being: Zen4, Zen4 3D, Zen5 and Zen5 3D)

* Supply will be good this time, Lisa says they have a lot more wafers and substrates than at Zen3 launch and the only hold up is shipping times and not manufacturing time. Because shipping can be slow, she decided to launch Zen4 one month after today's announcement to give enough time for Zen4 CPUs to ship all around the world so come the 27th everyone who wants one can get one.

AMD's 5nm Zen 4 CPUs Including Ryzen 7000 Not To Be Hindered By Supply Constraints, AM5 Socket To Be Supported Through & Beyond 2025

During an interview with AMD after the Ryzen 7000 Unveil, the company confirmed that its 5nm Zen 4 CPUs won't face any supply constraints.

wccftech.com

Even a very weak iGPU is very welcome for troubleshooting on home servers.

 

[RavenXXX2]

 

[Bencher]

Ok, Christ....

The Headline

"AMD are becoming Intel"

Because they are making you change the platform.
The AM4 platform is now 5 years old, so they are making you change it after 5 years, this is not at all like Intel who make you change it after 2 years.



For the 5950X AMD list the TDP at 105 watts, actual power consumption 120 watts
For the 12900K the TDP is listed at 125 watts, actual power consumption 240 watts

Measured at the EPS rail, Gamers Nexus.

Again, nothing at all like Intel and its Intel who are much further away from the real power consumption than AMD.

This is an example of what i'm talking about when i say tech journalists don't know what they are talking about, the only thing they are good for is creating click bait.

And some of us keep falling for it....

Listed tdp for 12900k is 240w. You are confusing base power with turbo power. Intels numbers are right, amds are wrong, that's just a fact.

 

[Major774]

Looking at the road map, I am on the V-Cache cycle for my own upgrade path… exciting times ahead.

Maybe a 7700X3D later on.

 

[Noxia]

Bit confused re waterblocks. It was said AM4 ones are compatible but then EK launched some AM5 one specifically.

 

[Grim5]

Bit confused re waterblocks. It was said AM4 ones are compatible but then EK launched some AM5 one specifically.

A bit bizarre. Other cooler manufacturers are just going to release additional mounting kits to make coolers Compatible with am5 but not ekwb they want you to buy a new block

 

[HACO]

Bit confused re waterblocks. It was said AM4 ones are compatible but then EK launched some AM5 one specifically.

Likely an overpriced SKU with AM5 specific branding. There will be separate mounting kits for existing blocks for sure.

 

[Curlyriff]

Bit confused re waterblocks. It was said AM4 ones are compatible but then EK launched some AM5 one specifically.

Their velocity blocks are significantly different. You can still use an AM4 block from them I believe but might need a different backplate from what they saying.

They have updated the backplate so you need to use a stock backplate from AM4. They have changed he plate curvature for the new block to improve it anyways.

 

[Curlyriff]

A bit bizarre. Other cooler manufacturers are just going to release additional mounting kits to make coolers Compatible with am5 but not ekwb they want you to buy a new block

What I don't get is if it is the same Z axis and same setting out as AM4 why we even need different mounting kits tbh.

 

[Aegis]

X3D is only 8 cores so you don't want that for content creation.

I regularly see people post things like this and it's nonsense - 'Content Creation' is so vague as to mean almost nothing - if you're doing compiling or 3D rendering on your CPU then yeah, a 16-core/32-thread CPU is what you want, but for just about any other kind of 'Content Creation' - video/music editing, 3D modelling/sculpting and 2D paint/photo editing then an 8-core/16-thread CPU is typically more than adequate. Many of these apps care more about VRAM than they do core-count and some (Photoshop) are legendarily bad at multi-threading.

*Edit* and just for some context here - I use DaVinci Resolve professionally for video/audio editing and VFX work - and the bottlenecks in Resolve's performance are always storage speed, system RAM and VRAM - even if I were using the CPU for rendering, the 5800X3D can process 4k frames at approx. 154 fps @ 3:1 compression using RAW - but I don't because the GPU (in my case) can handle the same task at 405 fps.

If your work's paying for it (or the speed gains offer you a tangible profit) then sure - get the very best hardware you can (likely Threadripper, not Ryzen) but for people looking to do 'content creation' on a budget even a 5600X is a fine starting point. Overpaying for a CPU makes no sense when you can spend that money on something else (GPU/RAM/NVME storage) that will actually provide decent improvements.

 

[haszek]

Debauer said on one video that you can't remove socket backplate anymore. Coolers / blocks might need adjustments? Different screws, not sure.