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AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th
I presume they don't want to make it a selling point unlike their APU line.
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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022
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I presume they don't want to make it a selling point unlike their APU line.
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The integrated graphics is a nothing burger, just enough to drive a couple of office displays and break the office pre-bulld stranglehold Intel have. There's nothing to discuss beyond that, so not worth dedicating actual time to.
Just got back from teh pub. What new facts were announced?
Or, are many questions still unanswered?
Got some stuff on the wiki page now, at least:
en.wikipedia.org
Why suddenly ~13% better IPC all the sudden lol. Definitely played it safe with the initial ~8% IPC improvement estimate.
1% IPC improvement in CPU-Z, 24% in Watchdogs: Legion, pretty staggering difference...
Nice, B650 boards in October.
Or, are many questions still unanswered?
Got some stuff on the wiki page now, at least:
Zen 4 - Wikipedia
Why suddenly ~13% better IPC all the sudden lol. Definitely played it safe with the initial ~8% IPC improvement estimate.
1% IPC improvement in CPU-Z, 24% in Watchdogs: Legion, pretty staggering difference...
Nice, B650 boards in October.
They said the E's would have gen 5 on storage & GPU, said it while talking about X and B boards.
I dont know if we have it confirmed next gen GPUs will need PCIe 5 or not, but i'd rather have it and not need it, but not at the X650E price tag.
Im just wondering what typically makes the X-range superior to the B-range, and wondering if its mostly superior grade components that tend for help push better OC'ing, or if its a mostly premium feature set where you wont find most cutting edge tech all on a B board, maybe a few on high end ones etc, because the big ticket items for me still seem to be present on the B650E (multi PCIe 5) but theres obviously more to it.All AM5 boards have overclocking support unless they just mean the ram on the lower boards but doubt it because they allowed it on b550 boards I recall Intel not allowing overclocking on the lower boards
Probably won't matter with PBO
The X range is where the hardcore enthusiast stuff is, im just wondering if it biggest draw as thats where you'll get the peak OC's, while the B's get respectable results and are the best bang for buck.
For the last dozen or so years ive just hovered around mid-tier gear, buying based on price and whatever has the basic stuff i want, but i'd like to make sure i buy correctly and build something balanced, as opposed to say an i3 with a 4090. I want to spend the right kinda amount in the right places. My last few builds have been out of necessity (ded mobo's) rather than planned. I figure i have 6+ months till we see a new X3D and would like to understand a few things in that time.
Agreed, but its something i actually appreciate having built a home server on a 3300X and needing two GPUs so i could get passthrough working. It never occurred to me when i started building it that it didnt have integrated graphics, because the mobo had a HDMI output so of course it was going to work... if i'd bought a CPU with an iGPU. So i have no plans to use Zen4 with its iGPU currently, but i was glad it was present anyway.
My impression is that 8 cores is just about affordable (for many), 12 cores is still too expensive for 80-90% of the desktop market.
Hard to imagine that Nvidia's RTX 4000 series will offer more than a 50% performance improvement, per watt (like RDNA3).
Does it seem likely that DDR5 6000 MT/s is the best RAM to use with Zen 4 CPUs? AMD used G.Skill DDR5-6000C30 + EXPO in their product demo.
Hard to imagine that Nvidia's RTX 4000 series will offer more than a 50% performance improvement, per watt (like RDNA3).
Does it seem likely that DDR5 6000 MT/s is the best RAM to use with Zen 4 CPUs? AMD used G.Skill DDR5-6000C30 + EXPO in their product demo.
AMD is claiming they have the fastest single core performance, 12% higher than the 12900k
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the real test would be to see on R23AMD is claiming they have the fastest single core performance, 12% higher than the 12900k
Guessing they used 4800mhz for Intel?
They used DDR5 6000 CL30 for both
Whats telling about it? I remember when teh Intel Fanbois where jumping around saying how irrelevant Cinebench was and only real world usage mattered, now suddenly its teh be all and end all.
I think its much more telling that AMD's bottom of the range chip from the results we seen so far beats there top end chip, in games
Impressed in general, need to wait for actual reviews regarding performance claims.
Maybe because they realised it's a completely one dimensional test with no clear transparency on its implementation that always favours Intel due to using an old version of Embree that didn't have relevant pull requests from AMD that would have levelled the playing field.
By all means, if you use Cinema4D then it's a relevant benchmark. If you don't use it, look for better benchmarks that are actually relevant to what you're going to use it for.
Regardless, they actually did release R23 results (compared to Zen 3), it says 9% IPC improvement (per core), on fixed clock:
Would be even more useless than Geekbench. The real test is in the software you're actually using, or if you want general performance indicators then in open sourced, audited, and peer-reviewed industry-standard benchmarks that are 100% clear what they're actually benchmarking and how they're implemented (e.g. SPEC2017, JBB, PerfKitBenchmarker, etc).
If you game then you don't need to jump above 7700X, and 4K benchmarks wouldn't show any difference even with 7600X as you'll be GPU throttled anyway.
Nothing.
Maybe because they realised it's a completely one dimensional test with no clear transparency on its implementation that always favours Intel due to using an old version of Embree that didn't have relevant pull requests from AMD that would have levelled the playing field.
By all means, if you use Cinema4D then it's a relevant benchmark. If you don't use it, look for better benchmarks that are actually relevant to what you're going to use it for.
Regardless, they actually did release R23 results (compared to Zen 3), it says 9% IPC improvement (per core), on fixed clock:
Would be even more useless than Geekbench. The real test is in the software you're actually using, or if you want general performance indicators then in open sourced, audited, and peer-reviewed industry-standard benchmarks that are 100% clear what they're actually benchmarking and how they're implemented (e.g. SPEC2017, JBB, PerfKitBenchmarker, etc).
If you game then you don't need to jump above 7700X, and 4K benchmarks wouldn't show any difference even with 7600X as you'll be GPU throttled anyway.
Nothing.
If I had to choose now I'd go with AMD looking at that performance and energy efficiency of course would need to wait for reviews
Also socket support 2025+ will have 3d cache to come and zen 5 ? I would choose over a dead platform won't be getting anything after rapter lake
Wonder what the prices will be for the b650e boards AMD don't tend to restrict overclocking features on lower boards like Intel do
Also socket support 2025+ will have 3d cache to come and zen 5 ? I would choose over a dead platform won't be getting anything after rapter lake
Wonder what the prices will be for the b650e boards AMD don't tend to restrict overclocking features on lower boards like Intel do
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just a better benchmark than geekbench imo
The board will probably be on the more expensive side after launch but will likely drop in prices quickly. I expect there will be very decent ~£150 boards.
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