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***AMD Trinity review thread***

but if its massively less power it doesnt need to, not for the mobile market
i guess trinity will win the nettops that would be cool
 
mmj_uk said:
My main concern with the FM2 platform is that there is no upgrade path as far as the CPU goes, there's a lot of talk about Intel GPU's being dire but you can always add a 6570 etc, what happens with Trinity when the CPU is holding you back?

If I were AMD I would have scrapped 990FX by now and merged Bulldozer/Piledriver with FM2.
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Soon

http://hexus.net/tech/news/mainboard/45889-amd-looks-standardise-sockets-am3-fm2/

Also im not sure if its been posted but look at the improvement in gpu performance with faster ram

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46073-amd-a10-5800k-trinity-needs-faster-ram/?page=3
 
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Martini1991 said:
I'd be surprised if Haswell can outdo Trinity.
I mean HD4000 is outdone by Llano.
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I wouldn't be shocked with their die size advantage and the rumour that they're more interested in giving more space to the GPU as opposed to the CPU, they could possibly close the gap. Course, they'll probably be competing with Steamroller/GCN APUs if neither party runs into problems.
 
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aln said:
I wouldn't be shocked with their die size advantage and the rumour that they're more interested in giving more space to the GPU as opposed to the CPU, they could possibly close the gap. Course, they'll probably be competing with Steamroller/GCN APUs if neither party runs into problems.
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Intels graphics drivers are the PC equivalent of sticking pins in your nuts too....:D
 
ok heres my 2 penneth .. and i stopped followign upgrades back when i was using an x800 graphics cards ... so out of teh loop totallly.

i'd guess ( that's guess btw ) that out of the total pc market ...20% ( if that ) of users follow everything that goes on in pc land and know the exact ins and outs . joe blogs will look at this chip and see it advertised as good enough for okish gaming and buy it imo .

they wont be doing teh whoel intel /amd debate . and tbh its somethign id consider for a budget lappy build .. no use to me as an upgarde mind lol
 
You're supposed to stick your nuts on to the pins not the other way around. Jeez...everyone knows that.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
But Intel's platform with the i5 2500K at around £150 was literally giving more than double the performance comparing to the i3 2120 in games that would use 3-4 cores, AMD on the other £150 8 cores over £90 4 cores make next to no difference in gaming performance, so I don't know how the comparison is even relevent...unless we only use result of applications/productive tasks that would use 8 cores as representation.

The difference is that the the performance difference between the i5 2500K and the i3 2120 and even IvyBridge CPUs is in the open for everyone to see bare...whereas how much faster the next gen CPU on the FM2 comparing to the current gen CPU is still a big unknown. If the FM2 has another high-end quad-core CPU at around £160 that offers double the performance of the A10 right now (like how the i5 2500K is available as a alternative to the i3 21xx for people that are willing to pay more), I think the Trinity would become much more attractive...
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It that what we were talking about?
 
kitch9 said:
It that what we were talking about?
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You were the one saying Intel replace their socket with every new gen as well, and I was pointing out that unlike 1155, FM2 doesn't have a £150 ish CPU as an alternative that offer double the performance comparing its £90 ish CPU in contrast. So one gen on Intel would last longer due to available upgrades than one gen on the FM2...yet you are lumping it together with the naive comment of basically "yea well, Intel is doing it too...so why can't AMD?" despie you are comparing orange to apple.

Basing purely on the CPUs currently available at the moment, in terms of CPU performance...despite the FM2 is a newer platform than 1155, it would last short than it before needing to replace the board along with the CPU upgrade...unless AMD can somehow bring out some sort of miracle chip for the 2nd gen FM2 CPU...but that is a very very big IF...so is whether will AMD continue to make more new gen CPU based on the FM2 beyond the 2nd gen.
 
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TALON1973 said:
ok heres my 2 penneth .. and i stopped followign upgrades back when i was using an x800 graphics cards ... so out of teh loop totallly.

i'd guess ( that's guess btw ) that out of the total pc market ...20% ( if that ) of users follow everything that goes on in pc land and know the exact ins and outs . joe blogs will look at this chip and see it advertised as good enough for okish gaming and buy it imo .

they wont be doing teh whoel intel /amd debate . and tbh its somethign id consider for a budget lappy build .. no use to me as an upgarde mind lol
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Probably < 10% have any idea how good their CPU is.

The other 90+% bought their PC because a salesman convinced them it was the one for them, or a friend told them to buy it.
 
FoxEye said:
Probably < 10% have any idea how good their CPU is.

The other 90+% bought their PC because a salesman convinced them it was the one for them, or a friend told them to buy it.
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Or it had "intel inside" stuck on the greyish hard drive? CPU unit? thingy. :p
 
Marine-RX179 said:
You were the one saying Intel replace their socket with every new gen as well, and I was pointing out that unlike 1155, FM2 doesn't have a £150 ish CPU as an alternative that offer double the performance comparing its £90 ish CPU in contrast. So one gen on Intel would last longer due to available upgrades than one gen on the FM2...yet you are lumping it together with the naive comment of basically "yea well, Intel is doing it too...so why can't AMD?" despie you are comparing orange to apple.

Basing purely on the CPUs currently available at the moment, in terms of CPU performance...despite the FM2 is a newer platform than 1155, it would last short than it before needing to replace the board along with the CPU upgrade...unless AMD can somehow bring out some sort of miracle chip for the 2nd gen FM2 CPU...but that is a very very big IF...so is whether will AMD continue to make more new gen CPU based on the FM2 beyond the 2nd gen.
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Why would the person who spends £90 on a chip that includes a CPU and a GPU suddenly want to spend £150 on a cpu alone? AMD have said FM2 will be supported with new chips too...

We're talking two completely differing markets here, stop trying to create an "issue" where there isn't one.

FoxEye said:
Probably < 10% have any idea how good their CPU is.

The other 90+% bought their PC because a salesman convinced them it was the one for them, or a friend told them to buy it.
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The vast majority of PC users will know they've got loads of gigawhats and gigabites because someone told them, but they will have no idea what it means, but for £400 its got to be a bargain right?
 
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Exactly. And I love the way enthusiast forums think they're the only market for CPUs and every model should be for them.

I'd buy one of these today for my mini-ITX machine so that I could do some light gaming on it but, as was mentioned, the lack of available boards is frustrating. Irritating even.
 
kitch9 said:
Why would the person who spends £90 on a chip that includes a CPU and a GPU suddenly want to spend £150 on a cpu alone? AMD have said FM2 will be supported with new chips too...

We're talking two completely differing markets here, stop trying to create an "issue" where there isn't one.
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As I said...someone mentioned about the need the change of board and life/longevity of the socket (possibly based on Llano boards don't support the new FM2 CPUs), and YOU were the one that drag Intel into this and say "Oh, but Intel does this too" to try to justify it, despite the principle and what CPUs on offer are not the same. So basically you are trying to say it is the same and not the same at the same time...how convenient is that?

I'm not the one creating an "issue" here...I just don't see how the socket longevity of Intel boards' socket has ANYTHING to do with the longevity of the AMD boards' socket, as it would be AMD's decision alone (possibly depend on how soon they want make some alteration to the CPU architecture to new CPUs and to make more money from selling more chipsets to board partners), and Intel would have nothing to do with it. Far too often when people talk about about the short-coming of certain products from one of the company, people feel the need to drag its rival company's product into the discussion as well. Far too often that when someone say AMD driver giving them loads of problems, some people would always jump in say "you should have seen all the driver problems people are having on the Nvidia forum", despite it doesn't help people with the AMD driver problems situation AT ALL.
 
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humbug said:
5.1Ghz on air,.

Ok good, i wonder how stable that is.
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1.6v

Not really viable as a long term thing.

I want to see some stable overclocks.

Not sure why AMD struggle to have a strong launch these days.

Zambezi? Boards out MONTHS before and when the CPU's come out, it's a paper launch.

Then Trinity? Oh, we'll give you the CPU's, but we'll let our partners slack off on the missing component.

I want to get a trinity, but board choice is pitiful at the moment.

Tarinder notes that out own AMD A10-5800K sample was a little disappointing as it only reached 4.5GHz with air cooling before instability started to show its ugly yet all too familiar face. While our own overclocking required a voltage bump to 1.45V to attain 4.5GHz, the guys over at PCGamesHardware.de noted that voltages of 1.616V (air) and 1.956V (liquid nitrogen) were used to achieve their headlining overclocks.
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