AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Toss3 · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:44

Kaapstad said:
Regardless of what I think about HBM2 the one thing everyone agrees on is it is expensive.

This makes it a bit silly to put it on a card that is slower than a Pascal Titan.

Having said that AMD may surprise a lot of people by producing a card that is faster than the Pascal Titan.

Don't think the HBM2 memory is only there for games. Pretty sure AMD had other things in mind.

Toss3 · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:46

beany_bot said:
I don't think AMD has ever brought out a card to compete with the Titan have they? The Titan is a "daft" card. (not saying those who buy it are daft but I mean its "silly" in an affectionate way). It must only make up 0.0001% of graphics card sales. It's just a marketing ploy. A "concept car" if you will. Just Nvidias way of saying "we are the best at GPUs - L@@K."

The real high end is the 1080. and probably to some extent the 1080Ti.

thats where AMD needs to be positioning Vega. It would gain nothing from coming out with a titan competitor.

Well, if you look at the Fury and GTX 980 Ti - they offered similar/better performance than the Titan at the time for less money, so I wouldn't say it is unheard of. The problem with the GTX 1080 is that it isn't enough for 4K.

Kaapstad · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:47

Toss3 said:
Don't think the HBM2 memory is only there for games. Pretty sure AMD had other things in mind.

Or they could have gone down the NVidia route and used HBM2 on their professional cards and GDDR5X on their gaming cards.

It is a bad mistake using expensive memory on a card that does not need it.

harney · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:50

humbug said:
+1 GTX 1070 - 1080 £350 thats me happy

+1

If they can do 1080 performance for less than £400 then it would be interesting to what nvidia would do with there current pricing..Same goes with Intel's 8c 16t cpus against ZEN's equivalent

Anybody know when prices will be announced for the Vega's & Zen

Will sure be exciting to see benchmarks of both Zen & Vega in action going head to head with Intel and Nvidia equivalent spec parts ....

AMD are our only hope of stopping this whole milking process that Intel and nvidia are doing....

If the price is right with AMD then i will sure be doing a ZEN VEGA build ...

beany_bot · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:50

Toss3 said:
Well, if you look at the Fury and GTX 980 Ti - they offered similar/better performance than the Titan at the time for less money, so I wouldn't say it is unheard of. The problem with the GTX 1080 is that it isn't enough for 4K.

True. But in 12-24 months a Titan XP won't be enough for 4K. Because games will be more demanding. And so on we go. There will be no "4k" card until 4K is being replaced. (in the way that we can probably safety say now that the 980 and 390x are "complete" 1080p cards). Which I really don't see anytime in the next decade. (what with room sizes being fixed).

For the next few years we will see high end GPUs that get >60fps in some games and <60 fps in other games at 4k. No matter how expensive they are.

beany_bot · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:53

harney said:
+1

If they can do 1080 performance for less than £400 then it would be interesting to what nvidia would do with there current pricing..Same goes with Intel's 8c 16t cpus against ZEN's equivalent

Anybody know when prices will be announced for the Vega's & Zen

Will sure be exciting to see benchmarks of both Zen & Vega in action going head to head with Intel and Nvidia equivalent spec parts ....

AMD are our only hope of stopping this whole milking process that Intel and nvidia are doing....

If the price is right with AMD then i will sure be doing a ZEN VEGA build ...

To be fair to Nvidia they are bringing gains. Just their pricing sucks.
And to be fair to Intel their pricing is "OK"ish but they aren't bringing the gains.

AMD should force gains from intel and price drops from Nvidia. ...hopefully.

FredFlint · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:56

Using HBM/HBM2 greatly reduces the complexity of the PCB and will also reduce the cost of the PCB. It also reduces the size and power consumption of the memory controller so the chip can use the saving for other things, it’s not just about bandwidth.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:56

Could AMD have Ryzen from the dead

harney · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:56

beany_bot said:
To be fair to Nvidia they are bringing gains. Just their pricing sucks.
And to be fair to Intel their pricing is "OK"ish but they aren't bringing the gains.

AMD should force gains from intel and price drops from Nvidia. ...hopefully.

Agree

harney · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:58

LoadsaMoney said:
Could AMD have Ryzen from the dead

Interesting I quote

RYZEN

You are a law unto itself. Your tendency is to finish whatever you start. You are tolerant and like to help humanity.

TNA · 13 Dec 2016 at 15:58

FredFlint said:
Using HBM/HBM2 greatly reduces the complexity of the PCB and will also reduce the cost of the PCB. It also reduces the size and power consumption of the memory controller so the chip can use the saving for other things, it’s not just about bandwidth.

Finally someone talking sense

tyler_jrb · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:00

Kaapstad said:
I am going to fall off my chair laughing if Vega + HBM2 can not thrash a Pascal Titan.

Or putting it another way if AMD are going to use very expensive memory, the card had better come up with the performance.

i'd be very suprised if the supposed 6000+ core vega doesnt to be honest. I can't see it thrashing it.

Might need a 1000w PSU to power it and heatsink/fan the size of a dustbin lid to keep it cool though

Kaapstad · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:10

tyler_jrb said:
i'd be very suprised if the supposed 6000+ core vega doesnt to be honest. I can't see it thrashing it.

Might need a 1000w PSU to power it and heatsink/fan the size of a dustbin lid to keep it cool though

I hope that AMD do a version with more than 8gb of memory as there are games that already use more than that.

queamin · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:11

What will be nice is a nano sized vega with hbm2 that is powerful.

nashathedog · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:11

TNA said:
I will wait for reviews to come out before getting too excited either way.

But I will stand by my original prediction I made when this thread started back in August. The best Vega will complete with Titan XP and lower the price of that range of performance. This is when the 1080Ti will magically appear and offer similar performance to Titan XP at a much lower price to compete

I even get the feeling Nvidia will release the 1080Ti a month or so ahead of big Vega and sweep up a lot sales. People will be like OMG Titan XP like performance for ~£400 less? BARGAIN! Some will ask, shall I wait for Vega? People will say, hah, AMD will be lucky if they can get a card out to beat the 1070, let alone 1080Ti. Then Nvidia will get the sale

Nice story bro, I know...

I'll grab my coat

Amazing! You're like a frackin Seer.

queamin · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:11

Kaapstad said:
I hope that AMD do a version with more than 8gb of memory as there are games that already use more than that.

I do think the top vega will have 16gig

Deathroned · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:14

LoadsaMoney said:
All Aboard!

choo choo with captain LoadsaMoney and Commander Gregster.

mahius said:
I just saw the Vega Doom benchmark, this time AMD have taped up the back cos they don't want anyone seeing the IO. I'm disappointed they chose Doom, since it shows what this card does at it's best (AMD cards do great on that title) and nothing close to average. My 970 has similar performance on Doom at 1440p (obviously with certain settings like shadows not on Nightmare and such off), so I personally wasn't very impressed.

Considering the way AMD showed off Polaris before (they don't use max settings, no doubt they turned things down to get it above 60), the performance appears to be better on the benchmark than the final product. I don't hear RX480 being touted as a 1440p card and neither have I heard many folks using it for 1440p on Hitman. The final benchmarks show it falling a tad short of 60fps at 1440p on that game.

So considering that, I reckon the Vega they showed off is the best thing they have and it looks to be something in between a 1070 and 1080, keeping in mind the Doom performance and the way AMD like to show things off. I'll add my estimate price of being in between a 1070 and 1080 (think original Fury release) and there we go... a potentially disappointing entry (because it wouldn't shake things up and slots in around Nvidia). Of course this all comes down to that card being the best of what Vega has to offer and a prediction that AMD won't be aggressive with pricing a year later.

And what's the chance that Nvidia will release a 1080ti shortly before... it feels like Fury all over again.

Dear fellow it surely does help to read, they used ultra+ tsaa

Lokken86 · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:19

Erik13 said:
Lol it isn't Doom that is optimised for Gcn but Vulkan which is api .... Btw from the looks of it this one will sit between 1070 and 1080

Doom is optimised for AMD hardware. Vulkan is just what puts the icing on the cake and lets the hardware run to its full potential.

JediFragger · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:31

queamin said:
What will be nice is a nano sized vega with hbm2 that is powerful.

Coil whine for free

Greebo · 13 Dec 2016 at 16:42

since buying a Titan I am not boarding this train...............