AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Mauller · 2 Jan 2017 at 20:21

Jono8 said:
Thank you. I thought it must be something like that, otherwise it would be an odd thing to write when bigging up your latest card

The draw stream rasteriser is an interesting one, essentially AMD adding a Tiled rasteriser to the arch. Should speed up rasterisation by a lot if they parallelise it.

old gamer · 2 Jan 2017 at 20:51

JediFragger said:
It'd be funny if they wheeled the 'Overclockers Dream' guy out for the LOLs again though to troll us

I think he's been demoted to cleaning the toilets

queamin · 2 Jan 2017 at 21:08

He left and gone to Nvidia for Volta jk.

AthlonXP1800 · 2 Jan 2017 at 21:28

Hynix released Q1 2017 databook for graphic memory.

https://www.skhynix.com/static/filedata/fileDownload.do?seq=366

Noticed how Hynix HBM2 memory parts changed since Q3 2016:

Q3 2016

4GB 256GB/s 2.0Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-20C 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V Q3'16
4GB 204GB/s 1.6Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-12C 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V Q3'16

Q4 2016

4GB 256GB/s 2.0Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-20C 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V TBD

Q1 2017

4GB 204.8GB/s 1.6Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-H1K 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V Q1'17

RTG will prob use the only final production part H5VR32ESM4H-H1K for 8GB Vega high end consumer graphic card but with 409.6GB bandwidth. That would be slower than last gen Fury X 4GB HBM1 with 512GB bandwidth and also slower than Titan X Pascal 12GB GDDR5X's 480GB bandwidth. I cant imagined RTG to have cut down Vega graphic card with 4GB HBM2 memory that would have 204.8GB bandwidth that will be very expensive to make than much cheaper GDDR5 on RX 480 with large 256GB bandwidth and RX 470 with 211.2GB bandwidth.

Made no sense for RTG to go with low speed HBM2 after many failures, delays and setbacks, they should had scrapped HBM2 years ago and gone to GDDR5X instead.

KentMan · 2 Jan 2017 at 21:54

AthlonXP1800 said:
Hynix released Q1 2017 databook for graphic memory.

https://www.skhynix.com/static/filedata/fileDownload.do?seq=366

Noticed how Hynix HBM2 memory parts changed since Q3 2016:

Q3 2016

4GB 256GB/s 2.0Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-20C 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V Q3'16
4GB 204GB/s 1.6Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-12C 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V Q3'16

Q4 2016

4GB 256GB/s 2.0Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-20C 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V TBD

Q1 2017

4GB 204.8GB/s 1.6Gbps H5VR32ESM4H-H1K 5mKGSD 4Hi stack, VDD/VDDQ=1.2V Q1'17

RTG will prob use the only final production part H5VR32ESM4H-H1K for 8GB Vega high end consumer graphic card but with 409.6GB bandwidth. That would be slower than last gen Fury X 4GB HBM1 with 512GB bandwidth and also slower than Titan X Pascal 12GB GDDR5X's 480GB bandwidth. I cant imagined RTG to have cut down Vega graphic card with 4GB HBM2 memory that would have 204.8GB bandwidth that will be very expensive to make than much cheaper GDDR5 on RX 480 with large 256GB bandwidth and RX 470 with 211.2GB bandwidth.

Made no sense for RTG to go with low speed HBM2 after many failures, delays and setbacks, they should had scrapped HBM2 years ago and gone to GDDR5X instead.

Surely if HBM production was the delay on Fiji then AMD would not make that mistake again?

Looking at your production information I would hazard a guess AMD would have used the Q4 2016 full spec HBM2 and not leave it til the last minute to use the inferior version?

I had a look at your post history, it seems you are very anti AMD so I am going to chalk your post up as pretty much that

I think perhaps we may know more from CES, would be embarrassed for you if your information turns out not to be the fact your post is claiming it to be.

Sacrifice · 2 Jan 2017 at 23:23

Edit: woops wrong thread

eddyr · 3 Jan 2017 at 00:16

Seemed quite the astute observation to me!

Drollic · 3 Jan 2017 at 00:41

KentMan said:
Surely if HBM production was the delay on Fiji then AMD would not make that mistake again?

Looking at your production information I would hazard a guess AMD would have used the Q4 2016 full spec HBM2 and not leave it til the last minute to use the inferior version?

I had a look at your post history, it seems you are very anti AMD so I am going to chalk your post up as pretty much that

I think perhaps we may know more from CES, would be embarrassed for you if your information turns out not to be the fact your post is claiming it to be.

It's equally embarrassing when you interpret the word 'prob' as fact

Scramz · 3 Jan 2017 at 00:59

Ve.ga video sign at 00:30, 'VR not just for the 1%' made me laugh and reminded me of 480

maonayze · 3 Jan 2017 at 09:08

JediFragger said:
Seemed slightly offensive to me for a newbie to speak to an established member like that who was only speculating.

On the other hand I personally don't like the arrogance or the assumed hierarchy that more posts than someone else seems to bring here, but there you go.

AthlonXP1800 posted information that would have deemed his post to be a bit more than speculation though, so I see Kentman's (the newbie) point of view and he was bang on about the users post history.

h4rm0ny · 3 Jan 2017 at 09:39

JediFragger said:
I see you're new here, all kinds of crap gets said! Maybe you should wind your neck in a little until you're more established

Then as someone who has been here for a while, I will happily join them in saying that AthlonXP1800 does indeed have a history of posting wildly one-sided versions of things.

KentMan · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:06

Apologies all, did not realise i needed to be a long term member before i could make an observation

wont happen again.

Looks like an interesting CES with AMD and Intel and Nvidia all having some form of reveals it seems. Very interested to see if AMD show Vega and Zen, we already know a lot about Intels Kabylake, also interested to see if Nvidia have the 1080ti ready to debut.

fs123 · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:12

KentMan said:
Apologies all, did not realise i needed to be a long term member before i could make an observation wont happen again.

Looks like an interesting CES with AMD and Intel and Nvidia all having some form of reveals it seems. Very interested to see if AMD show Vega and Zen, we already know a lot about Intels Kabylake, also interested to see if Nvidia have the 1080ti ready to debut.

Any member new or old has equal rights so don't be discouraged from posting sensible observations. There are plenty of people here who have a high post count but many of them are troll posts anyway.

CES will be probably be the release announcementfor ZEN and perhaps even VEGA but we know for sure that they will be showing VEGA architecture information.

chaosophy · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:14

maonayze said:
On the other hand I personally don't like the arrogance or the assumed hierarchy that more posts than someone else seems to bring here, but there you go.

Agreed. It's a big part (IMO) of why threads in here always end up being 30+ page circle jerks of the same dozen or so people going over the same old ground.

Honestly half the time you can write the threads yourself, no need to read them, just from the title or opening post. Best off just skim reading for the links.

maonayze · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:19

KentMan said:
Apologies all, did not realise i needed to be a long term member before i could make an observation wont happen again.

Don't be dissuaded by anyone. It is nice to see new people on here and it sometimes takes a fresh view to show the rest what this place is turning into.

As in my post above, there seems to be hierarchy of people that think that their posts are more worthy than others due to their greater total post count. Every ones posts count, although I do suppose that a little respect for the number of years of service, if that is what you want to call it, can go a long way to bedding you in.

TNA · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:22

KentMan said:
Apologies all, did not realise i needed to be a long term member before i could make an observation wont happen again.

Looks like an interesting CES with AMD and Intel and Nvidia all having some form of reveals it seems. Very interested to see if AMD show Vega and Zen, we already know a lot about Intels Kabylake, also interested to see if Nvidia have the 1080ti ready to debut.

I personally do not see the problem. I don't think you need to be a long term member to make an observation. People should be judged on what they say, not how long they have been a member IMO.

I was a lurker here many years before I registered. I even had an earlier account which I forgot about and registered this one. Who is to say a person who joined has not been a lurker for ages and is familiar with members/topic on hand to make an observation? That is the way I see it anyway, but others obviously may disagree

Griffildur · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:37

JediFragger said:
Seemed slightly offensive to me for a newbie to speak to an established member like that who was only speculating.

established member or not, everyone has the right to speak their mind. people will call out any rude / stupid remarks whoever they might come from

maonayze · 3 Jan 2017 at 10:44

Griffildur said:
established member or not, everyone has the right to speak their mind. people will call out any rude / stupid remarks whoever they might come from

+1

...and we have all made a few of those in our time here. LOL

r7slayer · 3 Jan 2017 at 11:08

JediFragger said:
I see you're new here, all kinds of crap gets said! Maybe you should wind your neck in a little until you're more established

As some one who has not been on this forum as long as others i would deem my stay long enough to say that your attitude is ignorant seen as it doesn't matter how long some one has been part of these forums they are well within their rights to make a observation or comment. Your attitude is more likley to drive new members away or make them less likley to want to post with that kinda attitude man... Not cool. He was not offensive IMO and i agree with what he said in all honesty because i know what that said member's post history is like my self without going through it.

TwsT · 3 Jan 2017 at 11:11

especially in fanboy threads like these.

As per usual i will reserve judgment for when i have one in my hands.

I don't believe AMD's marketing slides anymore than i believe Nvidias....