AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Griffildur]

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The only people it's not good news for are the NVIDIA fanboys, who are making their presence known.

I find that people calling others various "boy" things, are the biggest such "boys" of all. True story!

 

[D.P.]

Does the December survey include survey results from several years ago? Is it only using data from the last year or is it only using data from the last month? Or do they have to make the numbers up by including old data.

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The December survey uses data form the previous month. Using data from years ago would be completely pointless., and I have no idea how you would even incorporate old data in to the new monthly results.

AFAIk, the survey doesn't include results of the new users as that would generate bias, the survey results are from a completely random selection. This used to be 1/12th of the users given a 1 year expecting but it is assumed that since 2008 or something that the ratio has dropped significantly with the expansion of steam. Therefore a user shouldn't get survey more than once every several years, maybe even longer now, on average.

The only important thing to note it is biased by steam users obviously. Although for windows gamer there is really no reason to think a gamer is more or less liekly to use AMD/Nvidia there may be differences elsewhere. For example, Linux users are much less likely to use steam, so the OS breakdown is not correct for linux or mac. There could be bias in these users, Max users normally can't choose their GPU so the nvidia-AMD ratio will depend entirely on what Apple chooses. Linux gamers users are more likely to use nvidia cards due to drivers, while some Linux users who are adamant about open source will more liekly choose AMD for their os drivers, but these aren't gameras.

 

[D.P.]

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Nothing I have said is pro-Nvidia or anti-AMD, * removed *

 

[Spuddy]

Is it true these have been confirmed for Q2 2017 now?

Just seen a tweet by OC3D saying that AMD have now confirmed this but they didn't provide a source.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Do you?



Because a large number of people with intergrated graphics cards are going to run out and buy a £300 - £800 video card yea?



Steam is dominated by people who buy either secondhand hardware or non top tier stuff.



Nice.



I buy mainly ATI/AMD video cards, have done since the late 90's, i currently run a Fury X, which next to an 8500 has been one of my most disappointing ATI/AMD experiences to date, my fantastic Fury X is on its deathbed, the amount of times over the past few weeks I've almost purchased a TXP whilst waiting for VEGA news is quite large, AMD need to keep people like me on side otherwise they are ******.

Emm,I think you need to stop thinking just because frequent posters on a TECH forum have already upgraded that MOST people already have.

If that is the case,are you saying Nvidia should just stop making the GTX1070 and GTX1080 since everybody who wanted one has already bought one??

Edit!!

New GTX1080 and GTX1070 models are still being released!!

 

[TheRealDeal]

Emm,I think you need to stop thinking just because frequent posters on a TECH forum have already upgraded that MOST people already have.

If that is the case,are you saying Nvidia should just stop making the GTX1070 and GTX1080 since everybody who wanted one has already bought one??

Yep stop manufacturing and on to the next chip . Same with things like the ps4. Those that would buy already have. Ohh wait sales are still happening.

 

[karik666]

Is it true these have been confirmed for Q2 2017 now?

Just seen a tweet by OC3D saying that AMD have now confirmed this but they didn't provide a source.

Q2 2017 is still the same as 1h 2017 that amd were saying earlier.
So it will probely be released between now and june.
Which is the same as polaris.

 

[humbug]

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Nothing I have said is pro-Nvidia or anti-AMD, ***.

Your posts do tend to be positive nVidia if its about them, if not exclusively negative AMD you never have anything positive to say about them and i have yet to see you be in any meaningful way negative about nVidia.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yep stop manufacturing and on to the next chip . Same with things like the ps4. Those that would buy already have. Ohh wait sales are still happening.

Its like all the people moaning that the RX480 and GTX1060 had "old performance" since the GTX970 and R9 390 had been out for a while and nobody would buy them as a result.

That so far appears not to be the case.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Emm,I think you need to stop thinking just because frequent posters on a TECH forum have already upgraded that MOST people already have.

If that is the case,are you saying Nvidia should just stop making the GTX1070 and GTX1080 since everybody who wanted one has already bought one?

First off my comment was slightly tong in cheek and secondly at no point have i said 'Most' people have upgraded, questioning how much market is available to a product which is late to release and may only offer the performance of a product which has been available for some time is quite valid, a finite number of people are available to market a product of such price to, limit this pool further and you limit your potential for sales.

Clearly sales of video cards do continue through its life-cycle..... However i imagine a reasonable proportion will be purchased within the first few months, a steady turnover of product will then continue though its remaining life-cycle, this is fuelled by sales initiative, such as price cuts and promotions designed to tempt people who otherwise would have not considered such cards.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

First off my comment was slightly tong in cheek and secondly at no point have i said 'Most' people have upgraded, questioning how much market is available to a product which is late to release and may only offer the performance of a product which has been available for some time is quite valid, a finite number of people are available to market a product of such price to, limit this pool further and you limit your potential for sales.

Clearly sales of video cards do continue through its life-cycle..... However i imagine a reasonable proportion will be purchased within the first few months, a steady turnover of product will then continue though its remaining life-cycle, this is fuelled by sales initiative, such as price cuts and promotions designed to tempt people who otherwise would have not considered such cards.

The thing is not everyone is following graphics card releases,to even know if Nvidia or AMD have something new out.

In most cases,people upgrade for the following reasons:
1.)They bought a new game which needs a better card
2.)They upgraded to a new monitor
3.)They finally saved up to get an upgrade they need
4.)They finally saved up to get a new system
5.)Their old card has gone kaput
6.)They need new software features not supported by the older card(say an CUDA or OpenCL update which does not run on an older card)
7.)They have the funds to buy new shiny

The whole point is,look on Steam - most people are not running GTX980TI/Fury X/GTX1070/GTX1080 level cards.

AMD has no doubt lost potential sales from not having Vega out last year,but in the scheme of things even GTX980TI/Fury X level performance is more than what most people have and there are still plenty of new games being released which might push people to upgrade.

It also applies to the RX480 and GTX1060 too,and this is despite the GTX970 and R9 390 being out for yonks and not being much slower in a number of games.

 

[Armadillo]

So away from the bickering from a moment.

I've lost track. Is Vega just suppose to be the high end only (1080 and up) or is there meant to be something in the 1070 ish position as well or not known yet?

Thanks.

 

[Dave2150]

So away from the bickering from a moment.

I've lost track. Is Vega just suppose to be the high end only (1080 and up) or is there meant to be something in the 1070 ish position as well or not known yet?

Thanks.

Vega will be a complete line up, top to bottom.

We think the high end will release first, followed by the mid and low end in the following weeks/months.

Hence the fire sales on the RX480's worldwide recently etc..

 

[Gregster]

Good God, there is more to life than all this whinging about how people post. Talk about sad and pathetic. I hope the mods clear this thread up, as some of the posts look like 5 year olds

 

[TheRealDeal]

Good God, there is more to life than all this whinging about how people post. Talk about sad and pathetic. I hope the mods clear this thread up, as some of the posts look like 5 year olds

Then you come in and do the exact same.

 

[Lokken86]

Does anyone think AMD will release a Vega based card that will compete with the NVIDIA 1070 or is it just the 1080 they are aiming for?

If AMD are to have similar pricing to the NVIDIA ranges then there's quite a price gap for the current AMD range.

Looking at current prices on OverclockersUK:

AMD
480 8GB £200 to £290

NVIDIA
1060 6GB £220 to £320
1070 £380 to £500
1080 £550 to £730

Would AMD not be competing with all the price ranges or are they just looking at the very top end with the Vega release?

If the pound stays stable then I would be expecting some AMD Vega card in the £300 to £400 range which would suit me if it has consistent performance around the NVIDIA 1070.

I currently have a AMD Fury pro with a LG Freesync 1440p 21:9 which is currently working OK in the Freesync range up to 75Hz, but would like a reasonable step up this year.

I think they may end up hanging on to the Fury's to clear up the line before something else comes to knock the 1070 of its post. Just doesn't seem to make any sense having a card at that level unless the Fury's where in for a big price drop which would have a knock on effect to everything else.

 

[Dave2150]

I think they may end up hanging on to the Fury's to clear up the line before something else comes to knock the 1070 of its post. Just doesn't seem to make any sense having a card at that level unless the Fury's where in for a big price drop which would have a knock on effect to everything else.

I believe the Fury cards haven't been manufactured for a long time now. The cards we still see for sale are just old inventory they are trying to shift, naturally as the cards as so pathetic (compared to the 1060/1070) it's taking months to get rid of them.

 

[JediFragger]

I believe the Fury cards haven't been manufactured for a long time now. The cards we still see for sale are just old inventory they are trying to shift, naturally as the cards as so pathetic (compared to the 1060/1070) it's taking months to get rid of them.

I've used both 1080/s and now an XFX Triple Fan Fury and it is *far* from pathetic imo. In fact it's performing (at 3840x1600 resolution) better than anticipated and I'm more than happy with it

In fact, I'm pondering a switch to a Fury X to bring my minimums up a bit and holding off on Vega til next Autumn/Winter when the launch prices have settled a bit.

 

[AiiR]

I believe the Fury cards haven't been manufactured for a long time now. The cards we still see for sale are just old inventory they are trying to shift, naturally as the cards as so pathetic (compared to the 1060/1070) it's taking months to get rid of them.

Why are they pathetic? Furys are actually good cards, the XFX ones OCUK were doing for £250 a while ago were a cracking deal.

My 970 SLi setup is getting too hot and loud for my liking, looking forward to seeing what Vega brings. I don't imagine prices will be too much different, but if 1080 performance comes at sub £500 I may bite.

 

[los]

I believe the Fury cards haven't been manufactured for a long time now. The cards we still see for sale are just old inventory they are trying to shift, naturally as the cards as so pathetic (compared to the 1060/1070) it's taking months to get rid of them.

The Fury beats the 1060 in most situations? The 1070 I agree with, can you show me links where the 1060 makes the Fury look pathetic please? As I did consider changing to the 1060, but it looked to be a worse card to me? Im at 1440 if that makes much difference.