AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[JediFragger]

With a freesync monitor I'm already set on buying vega but at this point I'm keeping my expectations low as to avoid disappointment

Same here, but I just can't shake the feeling that it's going to at least 1080 money....

 

[Kaapstad]

Change of mind I see Kaaps, I recall back when this thread started you also agreed with me that Vega would be able to match/beat Titan XP performance

In my opinion there is definitely benefit if AMD can come out and beat Titan XP performance. At least for a short while they will have the performance crown once again. But I just do not see the issue with it really, the fabs have been churning out Titan XP sized die's for ages now and the process will have only been more mature and efficient by the time Vega is out. If Nvidia are able to make them, so can AMD; the question is the Vega architecture any good to deliver the performance to match what Nvidia will have had for a year by the time Vega is out.

I think I am the only one left here at this point who thinks Vega can/will match or beat Titan XP performance. Most seem to still think Vega will be lucky to go head to head with 1070/80

I expect at some point there will be a Vega card with enough performance to give GP102 a good run but not on launch day or for quite some time after.

NVidia are not making a lot of money out of Pascal Titan sales and it would be very unwise for AMD to waste resources coming up with an equivalent card to match it.

Once AMD have cards on the shelf that can challenge the mainstream 1070s and 1080s then it will be time to think about the ultra high end.

I have been quite impressed with AMDs recent marketing strategy with the 4XX series challenging at the low end, now it is time for Vega to challenge the 1070/80s.

The 1080 Ti and Pascal Titan can wait until well after Vega launches, AMD may get quite a few sales for a card that can challenge the GP102 cards but only from regular forum users and hardware enthusiasts. In the big wide world the tier below GP102 is far more important and profitable.

 

[nashathedog]

They really have to raise the bar and try make the 1070 and 1080 completely obsolete. To do this they cant price it at £600 even if it smashes the competition on performance because this would only create another Titan/Fury market with little interest from average joe. The only way I can see them winning is with minimum +10% 1080 performance at 1070 prices. That would be enough but unlikely.

By the time Vega's due I'll be ready to bite as long as I don't go with Ryzen beforehand, If the Doom Vega really was the small Vega chip the big Vega card may be a 12 or 16gb one which I imagine would push the price up quite a bit.

 

[Legend]

By the time Vega's due I'll be ready to bite as long as I don't go with Ryzen beforehand, If the Doom Vega really was the small Vega chip the big Vega card may be a 12 or 16gb one which I imagine would push the price up quite a bit.

I haven't seen any evidence at all that big VEGA will be more than an 8GB GPU. In fact, I thought AMD had confirmed as much.

 

[Dave2150]

NVidia are not making a lot of money out of Pascal Titan sales

Feel free to backup your statements with facts.

 

[Lokken86]

By the time Vega's due I'll be ready to bite as long as I don't go with Ryzen beforehand, If the Doom Vega really was the small Vega chip the big Vega card may be a 12 or 16gb one which I imagine would push the price up quite a bit.

I would be more than happy if small Vega really was that good but I cant really see it happening. Who was that guy who said that anyway?

 

[r7slayer]

I haven't seen any evidence at all that big VEGA will be more than an 8GB GPU. In fact, I thought AMD had confirmed as much.

AMD hasn't confirmed 100% that the doom demo was even big or small vega but like a lot had speculated if its small vega then big vega may well have a larger memory config.

 

[Legend]

AMD hasn't confirmed 100% that the doom demo was even big or small vega but like a lot had speculated if its small vega then big vega may well have a larger memory config.

On what are you basing that assumption other than wishful thinking? If it was small VEGA it would likely still have the same amount of RAM anyway, just as both the 1070 and 1080 have 8GB.

 

[akarypid]

They are way too late to a slice of the 1070/1080 market to make the money they need to be going forward.

Actually, they are doing exactly the right thing in order to make the money they need to be going forward. Alas, it is called Ryzen and is not a GPU.

i don't care what anyone says, the fact is AMD have set their priorities straight and high-end GPUs are the last item on their list:

• The 400 series kept them in the game and sold well without risk (a Polaris-based 490 would sell very little and with very small margins; the 480 is selling enough and is actually making them a decent profit). It also let them gain experience on the 14nm node
  
• The Ryzen + Naples chips are the absolute number one 'get it right or die' priority that trumped everything else. They are coming out in a few weeks and are about to bring in the serious cash. Any money from a 1070/1080 competitor would be peanuts in comparison
  
• VEGA is focused on GPGPU/compute and APU integration. The important thing is to sell VEGA chips alongside Naples in the data centre, while at the same time creating a top APU that will obliterate the high-end laptop space and become the basis for a new generation of consoles that narrow the gap with PCs

Only after all this is done will AMD turn its attention to fighting it out with NVidia.

You and others say Vega is not too little too late. I see it as just about enough at the exactly right time.

 

[Rroff]

^^ I'm not saying Vega is too little, too late I'm saying what some people want to see/envision for Vega is too little too late. Your point is all well and good and I don't necessarily disagree with it as such but that would leave a lot riding on what they need to develop both CPU and GPU going forward.

AMD hasn't confirmed 100% that the doom demo was even big or small vega but like a lot had speculated if its small vega then big vega may well have a larger memory config.

They pretty much confirmed that it was big Vega, though not what configuration and I believe its mentioned things like clock speeds aren't final. Somewhere or other there is a comment from AMD that the identifiers for the processes are different to Polaris and that there wasn't available working samples of small Vega at the time as it was a little behind the big chip.

 

[Gerard]

NVidia are not making a lot of money out of Pascal Titan sales and it would be very unwise for AMD to waste resources coming up with an equivalent card to match it.

That's obviously why they are keeping it nivida exclusive, since they don't make much money on it 0_o

 

[AlamoX]

AMD hasn't confirmed 100% that the doom demo was even big or small vega but like a lot had speculated if its small vega then big vega may well have a larger memory config.

every line up AMD show case the top end product they have, same with ryzen (8/16), i dont see why they would change their habit for vega, beside they really do not need to run after performance crown, having vega 5-10% faster than 1070 and 1080 would do just fine till the end of the year.

 

[TNA]

That's obviously why they are keeping it nivida exclusive, since they don't make much money on it 0_o

I was a bit surprised by that comment too. Not sure how he came to that conclusion. Charging over 1k they make a lot of money per Titan XP sold IMO.

 

[Rroff]

nVidia like people to think they don't make much money on them not sure in reality - sure 16nm is more expensive (upto double) to design for and costs about 30% more to produce compared to an equivalent product on 28nm but the Pascal Titan is basically what would have come off the process as a GTX470, GTX260, 8800GT, etc. (albeit a bit different VRAM wise to a typical product in that tier) in other generations but at a lot higher price so the question really comes down to the volume shipped.

 

[Kaapstad]

Feel free to backup your statements with facts.

You can see for your self the tiny minority of people who buy Pascal Titan cards from these very forums, just try looking in the owners thread for example.

There is not big money in selling Pascal Titans however much NVidia charge for them.

 

[Kaapstad]

nVidia like people to think they don't make much money on them not sure in reality - sure 16nm is more expensive (upto double) to design for and costs about 30% more to produce compared to an equivalent product on 28nm but the Pascal Titan is basically what would have come off the process as a GTX470, GTX260, 8800GT, etc. (albeit a bit different VRAM wise to a typical product in that tier) in other generations but at a lot higher price so the question really comes down to the volume shipped.

I don't think we will see a lot of people using them in the latest Steam survey.

Whatever the margin NVidia makes out of them the total value will be totally dwarfed by what they make from GTX 1070 sales for example.

 

[nashathedog]

I haven't seen any evidence at all that big VEGA will be more than an 8GB GPU. In fact, I thought AMD had confirmed as much.

Nor have I, I'm simply posting possibilities based on tha last video in the thread where the poster claims to have had some one on one time with an AMD rep at CES,

I would be more than happy if small Vega really was that good but I cant really see it happening. Who was that guy who said that anyway?

He claimed to have been told that the card in the Doom video was small Vega. But I do not know the channel nor whether it's a source that can be trusted.

Spoiler

Watch from 4m 30s, he also states the rep as having said it'll be a second or third quarter release

Reading many of the comments on this page I'm guessing no-one watched the video linked on the page before this one,
That or you all know the source is a liar that can't be trusted,
Which is it?
Bad source?

Maybe this should be put in Kaap's fact or fiction thread...

 

[Griffildur]

He claimed to have been told that the card in the Doom video was small Vega. But I do not know the channel nor whether it's a source that can be trusted.

whatever he "claims" unless it's made by AMD in an official manner, then it has the same value as a vacuumed dead rat.

 

[Besty]

In the ocuk bubble people think average users drunk the broadwell-e/1080/titan x coolaid, reality is AMD will be bringing a big performance jump over legacy parts for the majority of users who don't have the kind of money that intel and nvidia want or, like me, plugged a 1080 into their rig, laughed at the perf per £ ratio and then sent it back.

If vega is 1080 speed on launch, in a years time it will be even faster and if it comes to pass will be a success for AMD.

Launch prices will be gouged, forum users will be up in arms but once the dust settles vega will be cheaper than an average 1080 and be quicker to boot. It will only get faster over time.

we won't see the 1080 replacement until at least September so vega has plenty of time beat up on the 1080.

 

[Kaapstad]

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