AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Geck0 · 18 Feb 2017 at 09:52

Griffildur said:
you are correct and all this should help a bit, but I'd like AMD to be a bit more ambitious. Ok Ryzen is good news but it doesn't introduce any new level of performance, it's simply matching years old tech. This might help with prices short term, but not long term and they need to keep going strong. Vega, same story although we don't really know the level of performance just yet but if it doesn't beat the 1080 by a good margin it's going to be exactly the same story. Yes, it help with end user prices, short term, but it doesn't help with progress and I don't believe it will help long term at all. Man we really need some competition, I still hope to see a brand new company join this fight and shake things up ...

You are joking, there is no way a startup could even crack making a GPU without being sued into annihilation by AMD & nVidia for patent infringement unless they grew a GPU from a cabbage and it used nothing like the tech these two use. It therefore would not work in the existing software or hardware ecosystem and therefore nothing would run on it anyway. It will never happen.

Griffildur · 18 Feb 2017 at 09:54

Geck0 said:
You are joking, there is no way a startup could even crack making a GPU without being sued into annihilation by AMD & nVidia for patent infringement unless they grew a GPU from a cabbage and it used nothing like the tech these two use. It therefore would not work in the existing software or hardware ecosystem and therefore nothing would run on it anyway. It will never happen.

well, one can dream ...

Geck0 · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:03

Or, you can stop giving money to a company that you full well know milks you like a cow and start supporting one that needs more R&D budget to achieve what you are wanting. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. The only reason nVidia haven't released the 1080ti is because YOU keep buying the 1080 while KNOWING they could give it to you.

Now it looks like they will release it because VEGA. Reward AMD and give nVidia the only lesson they understand.

Griffildur · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:06

Geck0 said:
Or, you can stop giving money to a company that you full well know milks you like a cow and start supporting one that needs more R&D budget to achieve what you are wanting. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. The only reason nVidia haven't released the 1080ti is because YOU keep buying the 1080 while KNOWING they could give it to you.

Now it looks like they will release it because VEGA. Reward AMD and give nVidia the only lesson they understand.

That's your opinion and you need to stop shoving that down everyone else's throat. I buy what I need when I need it and I am most certainly not going to gimp my gaming for anyone. You keep waiting for Vega while I have already been enjoying my 1080 with a great Gsync monitor for 8 months now ...

Geck0 · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:10

Griffildur said:
That's your opinion and you need to stop shoving that down everyone else's throat. I buy what I need when I need it and I am most certainly not going to gimp my gaming for anyone. You keep waiting for Vega while I have already been enjoying my 1080 with a great Gsync monitor for 8 months now ...

Then stop sooking about competition and keep your wallet light - your choice as you say.

Griffildur · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:13

Geck0 said:
Then stop sooking about competition and keep your wallet light - your choice as you say.

sometimes I love these forums and how other people give advice on what and how others should think ... gotta love it

Geck0 · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:23

Griffildur just painted himself into a corner and attempted to step lightly out the door, not a very graceful exit mate.

Griffildur · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:28

Geck0 said:
Griffildur just painted himself into a corner and attempted to step lightly out the door, not a very graceful exit mate.

the points stand ... I know you're not the only one with such an opinion, but that doesn't make anything true or the absolute and only truth. If you can't see that there's nothing I can say to explain anything so why bother

Geck0 · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:36

Keep digging mate. You have no points apart from that you have self identified as being self interested and conflicted.

It's your money, do what you like with it, but stop whingeing is all I'm saying. Fair enough?

TheRealDeal · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:40

Griffildur said:
the points stand ... I know you're not the only one to share it but that doesn't make anything true or the absolute and only truth. If you can't see that there's nothing I can say to explain anything so why bother

It's pretty simple in a way. There are 2 party's and you keep voting for the party who screws you out of more and more money. At the same time you are a small part of the reason why this party stays in control and gets's richer while the other party get's poorer. You then expect the smaller party who is now under funded to make the other party's products come down in price just so you can still support the same company that's milking you. This only goes one way and it's higher prices until the mindset changes towards the smaller party. That does not look like changing to much even if Vega is great.

If AMD bring out a good product and you want Nvidia to stop the milking then support the only other player who can bring about a pricing change. If you don't really care about the price then keep going as is.

Vega being much later to the party is not helping though as the gtx1070/1080 were pretty much the only option. This does not answer why AMD kept losing a boat load of share with the 7970/290x which were great cards. Fury X not so much though but AMD actually gained share when this was there top end mainly due to the 380/x/390/x.

Griffildur · 18 Feb 2017 at 10:50

TheRealDeal said:
It's pretty simple in a way. There are 2 party's and you keep voting for the party who screws you out of more and more money. At the same time you are a small part of the reason why this party stays in control. You then expect the smaller party who is now under funded to make the other party's products come down in price just so you can still support the same company that's milking you. This only goes one way and it's higher prices until the mindset changes towards the smaller party. That does not look like changing to much even if Vega is great.

If AMD bring out a good product and you want Nvidia to stop the milking then support the only other player who can bring about a pricing change. If you don't really care about the price then keep going as is.

Vega being much later to the party is not helping though as the gtx1070/1080 were pretty much the only option. This does not answer why AMD kept losing a boat load of share with the 7970/290x which were great cards. Fury X not so much though but AMD actually gained share when this was there top end mainly due to the 380/x/390/x.

The first part of the statement I don't agree with at all. I am not buying to support a company, I am buying a card which does what I need and it does it for a long time. Simple as that. When I looked to buy a card, I waited for the 480 that a lot of people saw like a 1070 / 1080 beater. I had a 970 already, there was no point in getting a 480. Any other cards AMD had were vastly overpriced and I wasn't prepared to buy cards with 4gb of memory like the Fury. There was simply no other option for me other than 1070 or 1080 to run my 1440p at 144 hz. There still isn't ... I am curious to see how Vega will perform though.

In 4 years from now, when the time comes for a change, AMD will get another chance, maybe they'll have something competitive then.

TheRealDeal · 18 Feb 2017 at 11:03

Griffildur said:
The first part of the statement I don't agree with at all. I am not buying to support a company, I am buying a card which does what I need and it does it for a long time. Simple as that. When I looked to buy a card, I waited for the 480 that a lot of people saw like a 1070 / 1080 beater. I had a 970 already, there was no point in getting a 480. Any other cards AMD had were vastly overpriced and I wasn't prepared to buy cards with 4gb of memory like the Fury. There was simply no other option for me other than 1070 or 1080 to run my 1440p at 144 hz. There still isn't ... I am curious to see how Vega will perform though.

In 4 years from now, when the time comes for a change, AMD will get another chance, maybe they'll have something competitive then.

Whether you like it or not buying Nvidia is supporting them. I don't mean like in a football supporting way like you love them. I mean financially.

I understand why you bought the gtx1080 and why others did but prices have been going up for a while. Pretty much since Nvidia moved the gk104 in as there top end and created Titan. People still bought at the higher prices. I can see why Maxwell sold well and it really was not priced to bad in my mind. This round has been pretty bad with the 70 moving up to where the 80 used to be and the 80 moving up around Ti pricing and above. Lets not even go up to the Titan bracket.

eiamhere69 · 18 Feb 2017 at 11:21

tommybhoy said:
They started going up immediately after they mentioned Founders Edition never mind Brexit.

I called it first.
1080ti founders edition $899
1080ti elite $799
1080ti extreme $699
1080ti oem $599
1080ti master class $499
1080ti we aint afraid of AMD edition $399

^Nvidia pricing structure^

All bases covered

eddyr · 18 Feb 2017 at 11:34

Griffildur said:
The first part of the statement I don't agree with at all. I am not buying to support a company, I am buying a card which does what I need and it does it for a long time. Simple as that. When I looked to buy a card, I waited for the 480 that a lot of people saw like a 1070 / 1080 beater. I had a 970 already, there was no point in getting a 480. Any other cards AMD had were vastly overpriced and I wasn't prepared to buy cards with 4gb of memory like the Fury. There was simply no other option for me other than 1070 or 1080 to run my 1440p at 144 hz. There still isn't ... I am curious to see how Vega will perform though.

In 4 years from now, when the time comes for a change, AMD will get another chance, maybe they'll have something competitive then.

You wanted what the 1080 offered, so you bought it, that is perfectly fine.

However when you reflect on the development of the market with which you interact, the state and expectations of products and activities, it is simply being intellectually honest as a consumer to acknowledge your contribution to a particular outcome (however tiny). That wasn't consideration when making your purchase decision of course, and it shouldn't necessarily have to be. You had a target and only this product met your requirements at the time.

TNA · 18 Feb 2017 at 13:38

eiamhere69 said:
I called it first.
1080ti founders edition $899
1080ti elite $799
1080ti extreme $699
1080ti oem $599
1080ti master class $499
1080ti we aint afraid of AMD edition $399

^Nvidia pricing structure^

All bases covered

lol

Rroff · 18 Feb 2017 at 13:45

TheRealDeal said:
Whether you like it or not buying Nvidia is supporting them. I don't mean like in a football supporting way like you love them. I mean financially.

I understand why you bought the gtx1080 and why others did but prices have been going up for a while. Pretty much since Nvidia moved the gk104 in as there top end and created Titan. People still bought at the higher prices. I can see why Maxwell sold well and it really was not priced to bad in my mind. This round has been pretty bad with the 70 moving up to where the 80 used to be and the 80 moving up around Ti pricing and above. Lets not even go up to the Titan bracket.

Sucks that consumers have largely just accepted it as the current Titan Pascal is literally what would have been the GTX470, GTX260, etc. in any other generation (albeit with a more advanced VRAM config than those cards would have had). A little bit of shuffling around/increased prices wouldn't be unexpected by nVidia have entirely changed the order of things and people have just gone with it

Kaapstad · 18 Feb 2017 at 15:32

Rroff said:
Sucks that consumers have largely just accepted it as the current Titan Pascal is literally what would have been the GTX470, GTX260, etc. in any other generation (albeit with a more advanced VRAM config than those cards would have had). A little bit of shuffling around/increased prices wouldn't be unexpected by nVidia have entirely changed the order of things and people have just gone with it

I would agree with most of the above but not the Titan part, you don't see a lot of people buying them for various reasons.

The 1080 is where the real problem is as it is almost identical to the 1070 (apart from using GDDR5) and therefore costs NVidia about the same to manufacture. A fair price for the 1080 would be about £50 or £60 more expensive than the 1070, not £150 more expensive.

Rroff · 18 Feb 2017 at 15:36

Kaapstad said:
I would agree with most of the above but not the Titan part, you don't see a lot of people buying them for various reasons.

The 1080 is where the real problem is as it is almost identical to the 1070 (apart from using GDDR5) and therefore costs NVidia about the same to manufacture. A fair price for the 1080 would be about £50 or £60 more expensive than the 1070, not £150 more expensive.

I'm talking more the hardware specs versus the potential max capabilities of the node rather than how things stack up tier/sales wise in consumer space - it sits in the space around ~500mm2 with slightly cut back specs for the die size that those old cards used to sit in.

TheRealDeal · 18 Feb 2017 at 15:45

Rroff said:
Sucks that consumers have largely just accepted it as the current Titan Pascal is literally what would have been the GTX470, GTX260, etc. in any other generation (albeit with a more advanced VRAM config than those cards would have had). A little bit of shuffling around/increased prices wouldn't be unexpected by nVidia have entirely changed the order of things and people have just gone with it

+1

Kaapstad · 18 Feb 2017 at 15:45

Rroff said:
I'm talking more the hardware specs versus the potential max capabilities of the node rather than how things stack up tier/sales wise in consumer space - it sits in the space around ~500mm2 with slightly cut back specs for the die size that those old cards used to sit in.

It would be unfair to blame just NVidia for that then as both AMD and NVidia jumped on that bandwagon with the HD7970 and GTX 680 which were both sold as high end cards.