AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[r7slayer]

Look like Vega will lose marketshare as 1080 Ti will gain marketshare and outperform Vega in benchmarks.

http://fudzilla.com/news/43060-goldman-sach-wants-people-to-buy-nvidia

Poor Vega!

as per always, you post something garbage and then say something like you took it from the article as fact. It does not say anything about vega loosing market share. It says 1080ti will likley help nvdia gain some market share. Its down 16% last quater.
In fact that article looks like its posted by some one biased. " a move which should anger AMD fanboys everywhere, Goldman Sachs reiterated its buy rating on Nvidia and put the graphics chipmaker's stock on its conviction buy list."
Just lol.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

If Vega isn't coming until June what info would stop people buying the 1080/1070 or 1080Ti?

Show me Vega doing +40% over GTX 1080 across a range of APIs on todays games, they can save price to nearer the time. Show me Vega doing above 4K@60fps on non optimied games using brute force.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

'My rivals going to release yet another card, thats going to shrink my already paltry sales, and market share to even less, hmm, what can i do to stop them, i know, does anyone wanna buy a t-shirt'.

 

[Gerard]

'My rivals going to release yet another card, thats going to shrink my already paltry sales, and market share to even less, hmm, what can i do to stop them, i know, does anyone wanna buy a t-shirt'.

And what exactly would you like them to do? If the gpu's aren't ready to go then there's nothing they can do.

 

[hyperseven]

And what exactly would you like them to do? If the gpu's aren't ready to go then there's nothing they can do.

How hard is it to knock up a Vega-ish card out of old pcb's and held together with some wood screws and just show it to the press, sounds like a plan.

 

[TheRealDeal]

How hard is it to knock up a Vega-ish card out of old pcb's and held together with some wood screws and just show it to the press, sounds like a plan.

I don't know, why don't you ask Jen-Hsun Huang .

 

[DazQ87]

I think people are just getting fed up with the lack of solid news, we don't have an official spec, let alone an official price or release date.
All AMD need to do is feed some information, sooner rather than later to appease their crowd in the light of the 1080ti release.

It's all just speculation that x y z engineering sample ran doom at resolution x y or z at whatever expo recently without committing to an official spec or release date.

I am however still the optimist and think in light of major architecture changes and the move to HBM2 they can still be competitive. especially at higher resolutions. We need competition more than ever, the prices this gen are pretty ridiculous.

 

[JediFragger]

I don't know, why don't you ask Jen-Hsun Huang .

Jen's the man for wood screws!! He'll do you a good deal if you ask nice

 

[orbitalwalsh]

I think people are just getting fed up with the lack of solid news, we don't have an official spec, let alone an official price or release date.
All AMD need to do is feed some information, sooner rather than later to appease their crowd in the light of the 1080ti release.

It's all just speculation that x y z engineering sample ran doom at resolution x y or z at whatever expo recently without committing to an official spec or release date.

I am however still the optimist and think in light of major architecture changes and the move to HBM2 they can still be competitive. especially at higher resolutions. We need competition more than ever, the prices this gen are pretty ridiculous.

this is left by all vendors, their Marketing Budget is really really low. AM4 shows this nicely , also pain to work with. what ever a region agrees with, US HQ has different ideas and takes ages for it to work down the line- RX 480 being a case for this

 

[akarypid]

The more I look at Vega the more I see that it is designed with compute in mind. If you watched the recent Naples presentation (where Naples kicks ass btw) you may have noticed that it will provide an option to connect directly to Vega using their proprietary bus (what NVLink is trying to be).

People talk about how HBC requires developer support, or that HBM will be costly compared to GDDR5X, or that Vega should've launched alongside Ryzen to get sales... They are missing the point:

Vega is going to be awesome for what it is targeting, the enterprise, and release is timed perfectly, to coincide with Naples.

Whatever trickles down to gaming is just a by-product and AMD is prepared to take a hit on sales of high-end gaming cards.

It sucks for gamers, but they're doing the right thing.

 

[Griffildur]

The more I look at Vega the more I see that it is designed with compute in mind. If you watched the recent Naples presentation (where Naples kicks ass btw) you may have noticed that it will provide an option to connect directly to Vega using their proprietary bus (what NVLink is trying to be).

People talk about how HBC requires developer support, or that HBM will be costly compared to GDDR5X, or that Vega should've launched alongside Ryzen to get sales... They are missing the point:

Vega is going to be awesome for what it is targeting, the enterprise, and release is timed perfectly, to coincide with Naples.

Whatever trickles down to gaming is just a by-product and AMD is prepared to take a hit on sales of high-end gaming cards.

It sucks for gamers, but they're doing the right thing.

If that is true, I can see whole bunch of disappointed gamers.

 

[lordfletch]

the amd negativity on this thread is over the top,it never stops, no matter what amd do or achieve its never enough.if vega is (for example) 10% faster than titan then the shouts of "it took them a year longer to get where nvidia are today" will start.no matter what they realistically do, the negative spin to debunk just about any achievement has already been posted.(i have no amd components in my computer and will most likely pre order a 1080ti tomorrow)

 

[TNA]

People do seem to bash them a lot. I personally do not understand. A bit of jokes and fun is fine now and then, but going out of your way to be negative at all times like say doom can only lead to a more negative result in the long run. No wonder all no enthusiasts automatically think nvidia is superior no matter what when all they ever read online is people slating AMD. If AMD do not do well they won't be able to put as much money in to r&d to stay competitive with nvidia which will mean higher prices for us. It is essentially cutting of your nose to spite your face, but hardly anyone seems to see this

 

[Boomstick777]

the amd negativity on this thread is over the top,it never stops, no matter what amd do or achieve its never enough.if vega is (for example) 10% faster than titan then the shouts of "it took them a year longer to get where nvidia are today" will start.no matter what they realistically do, the negative spin to debunk just about any achievement has already been posted.(i have no amd components in my computer and will most likely pre order a 1080ti tomorrow)

Yup this is very true, weird because without AMD, driving 'Some' competition in the GPU space, pricing, innovation from Nvidia etc would be even worse. Got to remember that a lot of negativity comes from paid shills, at least I prefer to believe that it comes from paid shills, over I guess what you would call fanboism or imbecility xD

I plan on going GTX 1080 Ti tomorrow (Impatient ) and then Gen 2 of VEGA or NAVI whatever comes next from AMD.

 

[TNA]

Yup this is very true, weird because without AMD, driving 'Some' competition in the GPU space, pricing, innovation from Nvidia etc would be even worse. Got to remember that a lot of negativity comes from paid shills, at least I prefer to believe that it comes from paid shills, over I guess what you would call fanboism or imbecility xD

I plan on going GTX 1080 Ti tomorrow (Impatient ) and then Gen 2 of VEGA or NAVI whatever comes next from AMD.

Buy both and CrossSLI them

 

[Gregster]

the amd negativity on this thread is over the top,it never stops, no matter what amd do or achieve its never enough.if vega is (for example) 10% faster than titan then the shouts of "it took them a year longer to get where nvidia are today" will start.no matter what they realistically do, the negative spin to debunk just about any achievement has already been posted.(i have no amd components in my computer and will most likely pre order a 1080ti tomorrow)

The way I see it - AMD showed off a Vega card running Doom and Battlefront, which was faster than a 1080 and this got the hype going but since then, nothing has really been said, so every single possibility gets mentioned, some will be spot on and some will be miles off. Take the 480 rumor thread for example.... It went into super hype mode when a couple of posters cited Titan X performance was very possible and easily doable and when it came to light that performance was on par with a 970/80, expectations were massively deflated. Then you have this thread which goes the other way, which could well be a good thing in the long run, as it seems most people are hoping for decent performance at a reasonable price. I am seriously hoping AMD have a card coming that kicks the TXPs butt and comes in at a very sensible price. AMD and NVidia in the black means both can vie for our hard earned and in a competitive duopoly, that is very much welcomed.

 

[humbug]

Beating nVidia is less important than its price for performance.

As long as the performance is high and the price low it will be a success, combine that with AMD's epic CPU comeback they would provide stiff competition to both Intel and nVidia, incredible when you think that AMD are half the size of nVidia and 4x smaller than Intel.

 

[lordfletch]

The way I see it - AMD showed off a Vega card running Doom and Battlefront, which was faster than a 1080 and this got the hype going but since then, nothing has really been said, so every single possibility gets mentioned, some will be spot on and some will be miles off. Take the 480 rumor thread for example.... It went into super hype mode when a couple of posters cited Titan X performance was very possible and easily doable and when it came to light that performance was on par with a 970/80, expectations were massively deflated. Then you have this thread which goes the other way, which could well be a good thing in the long run, as it seems most people are hoping for decent performance at a reasonable price. I am seriously hoping AMD have a card coming that kicks the TXPs butt and comes in at a very sensible price. AMD and NVidia in the black means both can vie for our hard earned and in a competitive duopoly, that is very much welcomed.

yes i agree about the hype train,expectations are raised so high they can never be realised then people are always disappointed. its been said in the ryzen thread that amd should have waited until windows drivers,chipset drivers ect were more mature before release but when it comes to vega they are too late and nvidia has beaten them to the jump,they just cant win no matter what they do.

 

[Nexus18]

the amd negativity on this thread is over the top,it never stops, no matter what amd do or achieve its never enough.if vega is (for example) 10% faster than titan then the shouts of "it took them a year longer to get where nvidia are today" will start.no matter what they realistically do, the negative spin to debunk just about any achievement has already been posted.(i have no amd components in my computer and will most likely pre order a 1080ti tomorrow)

Pretty much why I don't bother with this sub forum or thread any more

Doesn't matter what AMD do anymore as it is guaranteed most will always find something to hate about them, if the hardware is fine, then we will see posts about how their drivers suck and nvidias drivers are far better, they get day 1 support for games etc.

Heck, you even have a couple of people who have openly admitted they just want AMD to compete so that they can buy intel/nvidia hardware for cheaper... In some ways, it makes you wish AMD would go down just so that we can see these same people cry about having to pay extortionate amounts for a 5-10% performance increase each year

Good to see that loads is still reeling over his fury(s) purchase too

 

[humbug]

yes i agree about the hype train,expectations are raised so high they can never be realised then people are always disappointed. its been said in the ryzen thread that amd should have waited until windows drivers,chipset drivers ect were more mature before release but when it comes to vega they are too late and nvidia has beaten them to the jump,they just cant win no matter what they do.

Your talking about Ryzen game performance? no one in that thread is unhappy about Ryzen performance because it is widely understood the reason for it, its just a case of waiting for Microsoft to patch the problem it has with treating virtual core as logical, the wrong PStates ecte...., when all threads are loaded up it can't use the wrong threads or go into daft PStates, then you can see its true performance.

Its half the price or less than Intel's rivals, AMD's 8 core uses the same or less power than Intel's 4 core, its an epic CPU and its flying off the shelves.. its living up to more than its hype.

Unfortunately the scheduler currently is not able to differentiate principal core threads from virtual SMT threads with Ryzen and in fact sees 16 thread Ryzen 7 processors as processors with 16 physical cores with equal resources per thread.

Because it does not give any preferential prioritization of scheduling tasks to primary threads over SMT threads like it does on Intel platforms, a massively larger percentage of tasks can and do end up getting scheduled for a virtual SMT thread rather than a principal core thread. Resulting in significant artificial performance degradation.

Integer:

Floating point