AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Feoilban · 8 Mar 2017 at 13:06

mahius said:
If AMD can't beat the 1080 with Vega this year, then it's doom and gloom. If the 1080ti goes without compeition too, then it's also doom and gloom. If one year after Nvidia isn't enough to catch up... doom and gloom all round.

We need competition. Both so we can have another product to buy and also to try and keep these ridiculous prices under control.

I don't know about the doom and gloom tbh .... If you look at market segment I think the money is not in the top tier ... I believe If they can make something that is 1080 perf for less money they have a winner.
Consumer is already the winner when you look how nvidia priced the 1080ti

JediFragger · 8 Mar 2017 at 13:17

Feoilban said:
I don't know about the doom and gloom tbh .... If you look at market segment I think the money is not in the top tier ... I believe If they can make something that is 1080 perf for less money they have a winner.
Consumer is already the winner when you look how nvidia priced the 1080ti

No, the real money isn't in the top tier but the PERCEPTION of being the best trickles down into the lower-tier lines (esp among the great unwashed)

Panos · 8 Mar 2017 at 13:27

I have only to say this.
AMD has by Friday to give the market and community some breadcrumbs regarding the upcoming Vega chip.

That would put on pause some of the 1080Ti sales.
If we stay in darkness with just a logo on a t-shirt, AMD will have to put something more powerful or advanced (eg 2 gpus working as one without crossfire) on the market for winning market share at the top end.

Otherwise there is going to be another lost year with the mainstream sales only. Because even if I like AMD, they make serious marketing and financial mistakes by launching their cards after Nvidia has swooped the money from the market and without much clear indication about their upcoming product.
off if is not that good, keeping everything in secrecy is the only good thing. But hopefully not.

JediFragger · 8 Mar 2017 at 13:29

Panos said:
If we stay in darkness with just a logo on a t-shirt

Paper launch T-Shirt

We aren't going to get anything man, this is AMD 'member!!

Rroff · 8 Mar 2017 at 13:33

Feoilban said:
I don't know about the doom and gloom tbh .... If you look at market segment I think the money is not in the top tier ... I believe If they can make something that is 1080 perf for less money they have a winner.
Consumer is already the winner when you look how nvidia priced the 1080ti

Problem is that might work for the average poster in this section - but consumers in general are quite swayed subconsciously by what is the best as well as what is the most affordable.

Plus nVidia dropping the 1080ti and shuffling the 1070/1080 prices is a fairly strong indication that the sales of that segment are starting to slow up - there isn't a chance in hell nVidia would impact prices there if they were at their peak.

LoadsaMoney · 8 Mar 2017 at 13:39

Ticonderoga said:
I am pretty sure the Fury duo beats everything
I will stop trolling now

It doesn't though does it, as most of the time its having to run as a single Nano.

D.P. · 8 Mar 2017 at 14:45

Rroff said:
Problem is that might work for the average poster in this section - but consumers in general are quite swayed subconsciously by what is the best as well as what is the most affordable.

Plus nVidia dropping the 1080ti and shuffling the 1070/1080 prices is a fairly strong indication that the sales of that segment are starting to slow up - there isn't a chance in hell nVidia would impact prices there if they were at their peak.

Spot on, Nvidia wouldn't drop prices at all without good reason. With no AMD competition in sight then it's simply down to sales figures. Pascal has been out plenty long enough that people who wanted to upgrade that segment will have done so.

D.P. · 8 Mar 2017 at 14:49

Ayahuasca said:
I think Vega will arrive below par vs the high end nVidia cards then as the months/year goes on it'll edge past them.

Low/mid range I think it'll beat nVidia's counterparts.

By which point Volta is released and Nvidia enjoy new record profits. AMD never seems to learn that release performance is what matters, not releasing cards with subpart drivers and expecting people to wist a year or 2 for what should have been there at launch.

elmuzzy66. · 8 Mar 2017 at 15:44

It just feels like that the money people will save on ryzen are just going to spend it on the 1080ti rather than vega, imo off course

AthlonXP1800 · 8 Mar 2017 at 15:52

Look like Vega will lose marketshare as 1080 Ti will gain marketshare and outperform Vega in benchmarks.

http://fudzilla.com/news/43060-goldman-sach-wants-people-to-buy-nvidia

Poor Vega!

Feoilban · 8 Mar 2017 at 15:53

D.P. said:
Spot on, Nvidia wouldn't drop prices at all without good reason. With no AMD competition in sight then it's simply down to sales figures. Pascal has been out plenty long enough that people who wanted to upgrade that segment will have done so.

Hey ... psssst .... AMD is launching a new GPU ... You are actually posting in a thread about it

TheRealDeal · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:00

AthlonXP1800 said:
Look like Vega will lose marketshare as 1080 Ti will gain marketshare and outperform Vega in benchmarks.

http://fudzilla.com/news/43060-goldman-sach-wants-people-to-buy-nvidia

Poor Vega!

The article says nothing about Vega being out performed. It's about the launch of the Ti making nvidia's share rise and taking more market share. It's all pretty obvious stuff but for some reason you had to bring it in here.

D.P. · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:12

Feoilban said:
Hey ... psssst .... AMD is launching a new GPU ... You are actually posting in a thread about it

It's not realised yet, there is no release date, there are no reviews,no benchmarks. Thus there is no competition, AMD aren't doing anything at this time to force Nvidia to drop prices, it's purely a function of market conditions.

tommybhoy · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:14

How can Vega lose market share and be outperformed when it hasn't even launched?

Legend · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:22

tommybhoy said:
How can Vega lose market share and be outperformed when it hasn't even launched?

Quite easily given potential purchasers will just buy a 1080Ti instead. There's still a market and share to be had in it, and that's what AMD want to get a piece of with VEGA. Each and every person who buys a 1080Ti is a possible lost VEGA sale, and the absence of any more VEGA info means that number will be even higher than had AMD gone on a VEGA PR blitz this week (but who knows, maybe they will). As is clear from this thread alone, many people may actually hold out if AMD released some information that would give them good reason to wait, but instead they will just buy a 1080Ti. The fact AMD are remaining shtum could suggest they know they don't have a card that can compete, so they're happy to let the hype and rumour mill run on and not lose even MORE sales by announcing that VEGA barely competes with a 1080. I'm not saying that this is for certain, but it's a fair deduction if AMD do indeed remain silent. Otherwise why wouldn't they want to steal 1080Ti sales away from Nvidia? Makes zero sense from a business perspective.

Rroff · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:25

Legend said:
Quite easily given potential purchasers will just buy 1080Ti instead. There's still a market and share to be had in it, and that's what AMD want to get a piece of with VEGA. Each and every person who buys a 1080Ti is a possible lost VEGA sale, and the absence of any more VEGA info means that number will be even higher than had AMD gone on a VEGA PR blitz this week (but who knows, maybe they will). As is clear from this thread alone, many people may actually hold out if AMD released some information that would give them good reason to wait, but instead they will just buy a 1080Ti. The fact AMD are remaining shtum could suggest they know they don't have a card that can compete, so instead they're happy to let the rumour mill and hype run on and not lose even MORE sales by announcing that VEGA barely competes with a 1080. I'm not saying that this is for certain, but it's a fair deduction if AMD do indeed remain silent. Otherwise why wouldn't they want to steal sales away from Nvidia? Makes zero sense from a business perspective.

AMD have traditionally stayed silent when they need to make a noise and made a lot of noise when they should shut up

atleast that possibly means they have something with Vega this time but as you say they'll be bleeding market share they can ill afford to lose if they aren't reaching potential customers hearts and minds at this point.

Legend · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:28

Rroff said:
AMD have traditionally stayed silent when they need to make a noise and made a lot of noise when they should shut up atleast that possibly means they have something with Vega this time but as you say they'll be bleeding market share they can ill afford to lose if they aren't reaching potential customers hearts and minds at this point.

Yeah could be, but how annoying would that be for those who jump on the 1080Ti only to see VEGA release a serious competitor for much less money? Not that I really see this happening, but you never know. Just seems a daft tactic from AMD, and I'd certainly lean more towards VEGA slotting somewhere inbetween the 1080 and 1080Ti, as I've always suspected. Not that this is a bad thing of course, especially if it's priced right, but AMD really should be doing everything to maximise potential sales, because now is not the time to be keeping their cards close to their chest. It's a lose lose for everyone.

LoadsaMoney · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:36

Vega' already lost market share, it lost it about a year ago, when the 1070/80 were released.

fullmetaltony · 8 Mar 2017 at 16:48

Legend said:
Quite easily given potential purchasers will just buy a 1080Ti instead. There's still a market and share to be had in it, and that's what AMD want to get a piece of with VEGA. Each and every person who buys a 1080Ti is a possible lost VEGA sale, and the absence of any more VEGA info means that number will be even higher than had AMD gone on a VEGA PR blitz this week (but who knows, maybe they will). As is clear from this thread alone, many people may actually hold out if AMD released some information that would give them good reason to wait, but instead they will just buy a 1080Ti. The fact AMD are remaining shtum could suggest they know they don't have a card that can compete, so they're happy to let the hype and rumour mill run on and not lose even MORE sales by announcing that VEGA barely competes with a 1080. I'm not saying that this is for certain, but it's a fair deduction if AMD do indeed remain silent. Otherwise why wouldn't they want to steal 1080Ti sales away from Nvidia? Makes zero sense from a business perspective.

This is spot on, fair deduction given what facts there are.

tommybhoy · 8 Mar 2017 at 17:32

Because you can't steal a sale when you have nothing to sell.