Soldato
Vega is going to have to be hung like a horse to be able to compete with the 1080 Ti.
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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1
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Soldato
Exactly what I wrote above. If AMD doesn't pull a PR stunt this week, just with a trickle of interesting information, it will have to pull miracles with the Vega to regain the customer base that is losing with the GTX1080 second hand sales and the GTX1080Ti sales.
I do not argue that truly the Vega chip can beat the TXP or be close, but leak something to make people hold for two months before they splash on Nvidia cards.
And I believe that the Vega chip can be in par of the TXP, following the following information
a) AMD has shown that at 4K maxed out was running around 60-70fps.
b) A TXP (was in SLI TXP but the game doesn't support it) at 1080p maxed out does around 120fps in Vulcan. Given that 4K is 4x1080p, they could be in par at least or Vega close by.
But if someone like myself gets a 1080Ti to replace the severely ageing Nano, I will have to think very hard to justify the money loss of selling the 1080Ti second hand to get the Vega chip in two months. Hell, I have gone to the extend trying to buy a second hand FuryX for weeks (at around £300 no more), just to hold off couple of months. Because seriously, many games to need these days the extra power and the Nano (FuryX) is showing it's age, even if overclocked to it's death. (1130core 550/1100 VRAM)
And yes I bought a 1080 last year and sold it, however couldn't justify it at the end of the day for 30-40% perf over the Nano. (Oced both 2190 the Gtx1080 vs 1130 my Nano). However the GTX1080ti is a much bigger jump, that would almost double the perf over the overclocked Nano, if they are overclocking to at least TXP speeds.
And yes I know that NVidia is taking the **** from all of us, selling an overpriced product made of third grade material eg VRAM (I can tell you why if you want), however is still the faster card full stop.
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The funny thing is, I posted roughly the same idea in the 1080ti thread and got shot down for thinking that way. Absolutely I agree that the problem is people will buy them. In fact today at work, a colleague mentioned that ridiculous GPU prices will come down when peole will stop buying them. I laughed and said people won't stop buying them.
The sad thing is, most people just don't care and there are even a few of us who probably would buy, even though we don't like the price, as you mentioned. E.g. I've had my 970 a couple of years and am itching for an upgrade for 1440p/4k. I can afford to be ripped off, but don't feel that £800 is an appropriate price for a GPU. Yet there is all the possibility that I'll buy a 1080ti (or Vega) later this year, regardless. Though it would be a long time keeper, considering the price. I'm just looking for the magic 4k60 card. And if it ain't coming this year... I'll feel bad about not managing to pick up a 980ti when they were under £350 EOL.
Oh and fingers crossed for eyes on AMD this week. If they remain quiet, I can only assume they have nothing to beat Nvidia's new GPU. In which case I hope they have a 1070 beater for well under £400. I need to scratch that upgrade itch with something that will make better use of a 1440p144hz FreeSync monitor.
Soldato
They will keep quiet, things will be quiet right up till launch, AMD has zero idea when it comes to competitive marketing. It's either that or they simply don't care about Nvidia having a monopoly when it comes to the higher end gpu's, which I seriously doubt.
Maybe RTG will employ the same awesome strategy they did with the RX 480 by releasing a Vega card for less than half the price of the 1080Ti and show how you can buy two of them to provide more power than the 1080Ti? lol 
On a serious note, I hope not. I am not a fan of multi GPU, waste of time IMO.
On a serious note, I hope not. I am not a fan of multi GPU, waste of time IMO.
Soldato
It's either well under the TitanX or AMD are sandbagging and have something really special. I still think it will be somewhere between the 1080 and TitanX maybe occasionally being faster than both in certain games but generally 10% or so ahead of 1080.
And tell me what Nvidia does different? They don't release anything about GPU until near launch time. When AMD does release information people don't listen. Look at Polaris, they stated from the start that it was a 380/380x mainstream replacement card, but yet people were expecting it to be faster than the 980.
What information could they release about Vega that would make any difference to people who are buying the 1080ti? If the card isn't coming out until May/June then it would be most pointless release of info ever.
If you listened to all their talk last year, AMD have changed Strategies, they aren't going to try and compete at the high end for the moment. They are aiming their cards at the larger markets. My guess is that the Vega GPUs will fill $300 to $500 gap in AMD's lineup. Performance wise, I am reckoning faster than the 1070 and 1080. Maybe even a special Vega version with HBM memory.
But that's all just speculation. The truth is that it doesn't matter what AMD comes out with, people here are going to call it a failure. Even if it's as fast as the 1080Ti and cheaper it will still be a fail in people's eyes. The only way for it to be a success is if it is both faster and cheaper than the 1080Ti. IF AMD release information it's bad, if they don't release info it's bad. But of the two I think saying less is probably wiser course.
The other thing that nobody is mentioning, AMD are in the middle of their most important CPU launch ever. They are a company with very limited resources, do you really think anyone at AMD is focused on anything else at the moment? It's nearly make or break time for them. I would say Vega is on back burner until April at least.
Boot has largely been on the other foot though when it comes to nVidia - hasn't been the same need for them to get out ahead of things PR wise, etc. for the most part since the FX series.
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nvidia they have shareholders,they cant rest on their laurels.
Even back then neither company released info beforehand until close to release time. As any card gets closer to release, leaks and info starts appearing. The 4xx series is a good example in recent times, the 5870 was released months before it and Nvidia were definitely on the back foot then. But no solid info came out about the 480/470 until a couple of weeks before release. If AMD aren't releasing Vega until June then surely it will be April before we hear anything, maybe like last year when they discussed Polaris.
No body said that people will stop buying these overpriced products and that is exactly what some of us has pointed out to be the culprit or at least part of it. At the end of the day you can go buy whatever you want, it is your freedom to do so given you have the money but do not come crying about the prices before or afterwards. By "you" i mean people in general. Seen this behaviour so many times on this and other forums. People will complain about prices, they will point fingers at AMD, like they(AMD) have some sacred duty to provide exactly what that person wants but apparently failed, and they will accept it up the behind with a purchase of a product they think is to expensive. I mean pick one, complain or buy, you cant do both.
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No info, tells me all i need to know.
If it was any good, they'd be screaming from the rooftops about it, trying to put a stop to all those 1070/80/TXP, and now, the incoming Ti sales.
The silence is speaking volumes.
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To be fair you can do both, the only person that's probably going to call you out over it, is someone over the internet.
I do it all the time, I complain about the price, then I go buy said overpriced product & then I take a shower as I feel covered in shame.
And they did change. Polaris did very well for them. If they continue on the same strategy and improve on it for Vega then AMD are on the right track. The problem is everybody thinks that AMD are going to release a card that knocks Nvidia out of the Park and all is going to be sunny and light again. That's not how it's going to happen. AMD's will have to release several good cards, that might not blow everyone away, but perform well at a good price, keep up their hard work with drivers and start winning customers back. It's not going to happen all at once with Vega like some people think.
Not Directly VEGA news, but Vulkan finally supports Multi GPU!
https://www.khronos.org/assets/uploads/press_releases/2017-rel149-vulkan-update.pdf
https://www.khronos.org/assets/uploads/press_releases/2017-rel149-vulkan-update.pdf
/jokeI don't know why I am responding this. It wouldn't matter what AMD does, you would find some negative in it. Tell me when either AMD or NVidia have shouted from the roof tops about their GPUs months in advance? And even if they did what would it gain them? If Vega isn't coming until June what info would stop people buying the 1080/1070 or 1080Ti? Even if they did release info, we wouldn't know price. They will probably release more information about Vega a couple of months beforehand, just like they did with Polaris.
Soldato
Probably deserves a thread of it's own tbh.
Caporegime
All they unveiled was a logo, and a t-shirt, does that not worry anyone ?, surely, it must do.
Yeah, but surely, somethings better than nothing, as they won't have any sales to get at this rate, their Vega will just be sitting on shelves, and in warehouses collecting dust, as everyone will have just bought the price reduced 1070/80, and the now incoming Ti, rather than wait for it, as they've just been given no incentive at all to wait for it.
Yeah, but surely, somethings better than nothing, as they won't have any sales to get at this rate, their Vega will just be sitting on shelves, and in warehouses collecting dust, as everyone will have just bought the price reduced 1070/80, and the now incoming Ti, rather than wait for it, as they've just been given no incentive at all to wait for it.
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