AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

nashathedog · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:07

BigBANGtheory said:
looks like the 1080 Ti FE coolers aren't up to much which buys AMD a little longer, I think the tricky thing in all this is an AMD customer moving on to enthusiast Nvidia hardware is a customer potentially lost to AMD for many years

April for decent ones apparently, But will we get the same thing with Vega? cruddy reference models only like the Fury X or a month + long wait for non reference models cause if that happens and it's a July launch you can all but guarantee it's going to find itself up against refreshed Pascals. I'm tired of waiting, If there was decent 1080ti's now I'd probably go with one, I didn't with the 980ti and ended up with the lesser product, what's the old saying? fool me once shame on you.

LoadsaMoney · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:12

Vega 10 will be cruddy reference only, 11 will be the one with the custom coolers, just like the Furys.

nashathedog · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:15

Panos said:
On a tiny board also...... But suprisingly AMDMatt has managed to overclock the single cores to 1200!!!!!!!!

Thats because it's 2 Nano cores which are the best of the Fury X cores, and by turning one core off you have a way around the single chip power limit you see with Nano's, With one core off it has additional power available for the one that's on, It's like a loophole that lets you push a Duo harder than a Nano or a Fx but you have to buy a Pro duo to get it. I might be wrong though, It wouldn't be the first time, or the last.

nashathedog · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:19

LoadsaMoney said:
Vega 10 will be cruddy reference only, 11 will be the one with the custom coolers, just like the Furys.

I don't really know what to expect now, I've got non reference 1080ti money saved up now so if I do wait for Vega I want the biggest possible performance leap not a lesser card or an even longer wait, Ryzen left me not wanting to invest in it just yet and if AMD did do another let down and Nvidia's range after pascal refresh has better a-sync etc I may switch and sell my freesync panel to invest in one of the horribly overpriced g-sync ones. At least Nvidia are pushing cards out the door on a regular basis.

Panos · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:23

nashathedog said:
Thats because it's 2 Nano cores which are the best of the Fury X cores, and by turning one core off you have a way around the single chip power limit you see with Nano's, With one core off it has additional power available for the one that's on, It's like a loophole that lets you push a Duo harder than a Nano or a Fx but you have to buy a Pro duo to get it. I might be wrong though, It wouldn't be the first time, or the last.

Fury Pro has two normal Furies of 3584 shaders each.

The Nano is a full blown FuryX core with 4096 shaders.

TNA · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:37

Vegaaaaaaaaaaa

I do enjoy saying that with my Sega voice

opethdisciple · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:39

I need to wait for this. Hard to hold on tho. Potentially go AMD for new system. 1700X and a Vega GPU. :eek:

Even an 480 would be a step up from my 970.

JediFragger · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:41

TNA said:
Vegaaaaaaaaaaa

I do enjoy saying that with my Sega voice

+1

r7slayer · 9 Mar 2017 at 21:44

So 1080Ti averages about 85FPS in DOOM 4K ultra on vulkan. Going back to the Vega 4k Doom video i saw it averaging about low 70s. Hazard a guess about 72FPS average. Now granted this is on early drivers and it's a while ago now so things could improve some what. But i feel Vega's flagship is going to fall short some what behind the 1080Ti.
It might get upto 80FPS on average with release drivers but i don't think id be as optimistic thinking it will beat a 1080Ti. I think its going to be faster than a 1080 and heck it needs to be tbh! I'm still going to wait for vega as that's the smart thing to do.

Anyways anyone remember this for a dip on minimums?

Yea early drivers and kinda had a demon explode on screen but it shocked me.

37FPS?!?!?!?!

LoadsaMoney · 9 Mar 2017 at 22:14

nashathedog said:
I don't really know what to expect now, I've got non reference 1080ti money saved up now so if I do wait for Vega I want the biggest possible performance leap not a lesser card or an even longer wait, Ryzen left me not wanting to invest in it just yet and if AMD did do another let down and Nvidia's range after pascal refresh has better a-sync etc I may switch and sell my freesync panel to invest in one of the horribly overpriced g-sync ones. At least Nvidia are pushing cards out the door on a regular basis.

Its my understanding, as the top Vega, like the Fury X, will be their Titan brand card, so only come ref cooled like that did, so im assuming, the Vega' will be the same, the 10 (their Titan), will only come ref cooler also, while the 11 (like the Fury pro), will be the one custom cooled.

ScottyJKB · 9 Mar 2017 at 22:24

opethdisciple said:
I need to wait for this. Hard to hold on tho. Potentially go AMD for new system. 1700X and a Vega GPU.

Even an 480 would be a step up from my 970.

Haha anything will be a step up from my R9 270... Trying to hold on for Vega instead of dropping £500+ on a 1080...

BigBANGtheory · 9 Mar 2017 at 22:30

I don't understand anything about Vega at this point, to me all AMD has done is talk about a roadmap of features and how their product will be disruptive in the future without any measure or substance. That is simply not enough to win over consumers, PC Gamers at the high-end its as if they do not understand their market at all we are not business Enterprise customers or investors. Show us Vega doing 4k60fps on ultra settings in Ghost Recon Wildlands, on Star Citizen or something that gives consumers confidence that there is some merit in the product.

N19h7m4r3 · 9 Mar 2017 at 23:09

BigBANGtheory said:
Show us Vega doing 4k60fps on ultra settings in Ghost Recon Wildlands, on Star Citizen or something that gives consumers confidence that there is some merit in the product.

I'm holding out some hope that they're sandbagging with Vega. I hope they deliver, we all need the competition.

Chewie · 9 Mar 2017 at 23:22

TNA said:
Vegaaaaaaaaaaa

I do enjoy saying that with my Sega voice

Brilliant ahahah

r7slayer · 9 Mar 2017 at 23:40

LoadsaMoney said:
Its my understanding, as the top Vega, like the Fury X, will be their Titan brand card, so only come ref cooled like that did, so im assuming, the Vega' will be the same, the 10 (their Titan), will only come ref cooler also, while the 11 (like the Fury pro), will be the one custom cooled.

i thought Vega 10 will be first? What ever is first i doubt will be the flagship. It will most likey be the lower end. I thought Vega 10 would be where it fits at least two cards in the 1070 price point and the another card into the 1080 pricepoint? and Vega 11 would be the flagship.

JediFragger · 10 Mar 2017 at 00:42

r7slayer said:
So 1080Ti averages about 85FPS in DOOM 4K ultra on vulkan. Going back to the Vega 4k Doom video i saw it averaging about low 70s. Hazard a guess about 72FPS average. Now granted this is on early drivers and it's a while ago now so things could improve some what. But i feel Vega's flagship is going to fall short some what behind the 1080Ti.

That card is rumoured to be some sort of GDDR5X mobile varient with around 2/3 of the speed of the real Vega. A GDDR5 one would make a lot of economic sense, esp in the mobile space.

AllBodies · 10 Mar 2017 at 00:57

r7slayer said:
So 1080Ti averages about 85FPS in DOOM 4K ultra on vulkan. Going back to the Vega 4k Doom video i saw it averaging about low 70s. Hazard a guess about 72FPS average. Now granted this is on early drivers and it's a while ago now so things could improve some what. But i feel Vega's flagship is going to fall short some what behind the 1080Ti.
It might get upto 80FPS on average with release drivers but i don't think id be as optimistic thinking it will beat a 1080Ti. I think its going to be faster than a 1080 and heck it needs to be tbh! I'm still going to wait for vega as that's the smart thing to do.

Anyways anyone remember this for a dip on minimums? Yea early drivers and kinda had a demon explode on screen but it shocked me.

37FPS?!?!?!?!

Wasn't that demo confirmed not to be running on the largest Vega die?

Baboonanza · 10 Mar 2017 at 05:21

AllBodies said:
Wasn't that demo confirmed not to be running on the largest Vega die?

I don't think it was 'confirmed'. Some guy said it was, but nobody really knows. And given how far it was from release even if it was it's not necessarily an indication of final performance.

Rroff · 10 Mar 2017 at 06:05

AllBodies said:
Wasn't that demo confirmed not to be running on the largest Vega die?

No one knows, some hints only, a couple of tech sites (linked earlier in the thread) that attended one of the events came out with totally different stories about it - one insistent it was small Vega and the other that it was the big core.

Journey · 10 Mar 2017 at 06:26

Just say for example, the Vega big GPU is as fast as a 1080ti will nvidia pull a 280 GTX and lop a huge chunk of the price? Or will they ride it out knowing they have the market share and the brand recognition?

Just to clarify this isn't what I think will happen, just a what if.