AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

TNA · 10 Mar 2017 at 06:38

Journey said:
Just say for example, the Vega big GPU is as fast as a 1080ti will nvidia pull a 280 GTX and lop a huge chunk of the price? Or will they ride it out knowing they have the market share and the brand recognition?

Just to clarify this isn't what I think will happen, just a what if.

I think it is a good possibility. Such a big redesign, so many new things. Hopefully they will get the best out of HBM2 also as it will have been designed from the ground up using that tech.

Another benefit I can see is Vega improving over time as new games come out. I can see big games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen making good use of the new tech and those are two big games I am really looking forward to on the PC. So as long as day one performance is at least close to 1080Ti, you can be sure it will get better with time and end up ahead. FineWine Technology

LoadsaMoney · 10 Mar 2017 at 12:15

r7slayer said:
i thought Vega 10 will be first? What ever is first i doubt will be the flagship. It will most likey be the lower end. I thought Vega 10 would be where it fits at least two cards in the 1070 price point and the another card into the 1080 pricepoint? and Vega 11 would be the flagship.

Vega 10 is the flagship (the big one, ala the Fury X), and is rumoured to be going against the TXP/Ti, Vega 11 (the smaller one, ala the Fury Pro), is rumoured to be going against the 1070/80, and will be coming later.

Rroff · 10 Mar 2017 at 12:28

LoadsaMoney said:
Vega 10 is the flagship (the big one, ala the Fury X), and is rumoured to be going against the TXP/Ti, Vega 11 (the smaller one, ala the Fury Pro), is rumoured to be going against the 1070/80, and will be coming later.

I don't think even that has been confirmed has it? AFAIK all they've effectively acknowledged is that there might be 2 (possibly 3 total) variants of Vega one of which is ahead of the other(s) in development there might not even technically be "big" and "small" variants in the traditional sense as such.

Bare in mind people are still basing Vega information on the "leaks" about AMD pulling it forward to a October 2016 release which turned out to be entirely made up.

LoadsaMoney · 10 Mar 2017 at 12:34

Rroff said:
I don't think even that has been confirmed has it? AFAIK all they've effectively acknowledged is that there might be 2 (possibly 3 total) variants of Vega one of which is ahead of the other(s) in development there might not even technically be "big" and "small" variants in the traditional sense as such.

Bare in mind people are still basing Vega information on the "leaks" about AMD pulling it forward to a October 2016 release which turned out to be entirely made up.

I thought it had been confirmed (although im not 100%), but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't

BigBANGtheory · 10 Mar 2017 at 12:36

LoadsaMoney said:
Vega 10 is the flagship (the big one, ala the Fury X), and is rumoured to be going against the TXP/Ti, Vega 11 (the smaller one, ala the Fury Pro), is rumoured to be going against the 1070/80, and will be coming later.

That is just speculation and opinion with no foundation at this point. There are rumours that Vega is to compete with Volta and Nvidia are bricking themselves etc etc load of baseless nonsense from site trying to generate news where non-exists.

Panos · 10 Mar 2017 at 12:45

BigBANGtheory said:
That is just speculation and opinion with no foundation at this point. There are rumours that Vega is to compete with Volta and Nvidia are bricking themselves etc etc load of baseless nonsense from site trying to generate news where non-exists.

I agree.
Up to October 2016, Volta was due out this summer. Then NV kicked it to 2018 due to design issues.

AMD has Vega this year and Navi H2 2018. Which is even more powerful gpu, more efficient and probably at 7nm. Since GloFo starts production at 7nm this autumn.

Rroff · 10 Mar 2017 at 12:54

Panos said:
Up to October 2016, Volta was due out this summer. Then NV kicked it to 2018 due to design issues

Volta has always been a 2018 part, atleast if it is used for consumer GPUs, there are no design issues as such with Volta the only issue has been that the design needs to fit certain power and thermal requirements for use in Summit which haven't been possible on 20/16nm - which has slightly pushed it back in professional use but hasn't impacted any timeline in consumer space.

One of the leakers over on one of the Chinese sites that has a good track record claims nVidia will be issuing a refresh of the Pascal lineup to go up against Vega using GDDR5X 12GB/s on all the mid and top end parts which possibly gives an indication to Vega performance.

nashathedog · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:01

Panos said:
Fury Pro has two normal Furies of 3584 shaders each.

The Nano is a full blown FuryX core with 4096 shaders.

Why are you telling me that as a reply?

Even though the duo is two Nano cores it's called the Pro Duo? As I said in the post that you replied too the Pro Duo uses Nano cores which are the better Fury X cores, It's got nothing to do with the Fury pro cards.

nashathedog · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:09

r7slayer said:
So 1080Ti averages about 85FPS in DOOM 4K ultra on vulkan. Going back to the Vega 4k Doom video i saw it averaging about low 70s. Hazard a guess about 72FPS average. Now granted this is on early drivers and it's a while ago now so things could improve some what. But i feel Vega's flagship is going to fall short some what behind the 1080Ti.
It might get upto 80FPS on average with release drivers but i don't think id be as optimistic thinking it will beat a 1080Ti. I think its going to be faster than a 1080 and heck it needs to be tbh! I'm still going to wait for vega as that's the smart thing to do.

Anyways anyone remember this for a dip on minimums? Yea early drivers and kinda had a demon explode on screen but it shocked me.

37FPS?!?!?!?!

Considering how they showed us a best case scenario it's possible it could fall short of the 1080 in DX11 titles let alone the Ti. I hope not though.

HEADRAT · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:09

So maybe Nvidia has stuck out the 1080ti now because they know VEGA will destroy it

This way then can shift a ton of cards before that market is no longer available.

Probably not the case but maybe, just maybe

Rroff · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:10

nashathedog said:
Considering how they showed us a best case scenario it's possible it could fall short of the 1080 in DX11 titles let alone the Ti. I hope not though.

I think it is more a case of it being what they had to show at that time rather than an indication of what Vega is potentially possible of or not.

JediFragger · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:15

LoadsaMoney said:
I thought it had been confirmed (although im not 100%), but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't

You know what is confirmed...........???

THE GOD-DAMN ******* T-SHIRT THAT'S WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

JediFragger · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:16

HEADRAT said:
So maybe Nvidia has stuck out the 1080ti now because they know VEGA will destroy it

No.

nashathedog · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:17

LoadsaMoney said:
Its my understanding, as the top Vega, like the Fury X, will be their Titan brand card, so only come ref cooled like that did, so im assuming, the Vega' will be the same, the 10 (their Titan), will only come ref cooler also, while the 11 (like the Fury pro), will be the one custom cooled.

If that is the case unless it's a water cooled reference I'd probably see a non reference 1080ti as being the better choice. AMD need to stop limiting board partners on the flagship card.

Rroff said:
I think it is more a case of it being what they had to show at that time rather than an indication of what Vega is potentially possible of or not.

I hope so but the silence say's a lot to me.

TheRealDeal · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:18

JediFragger said:
You know what is confirmed...........???

THE GOD-DAMN ******* T-SHIRT THAT'S WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With 2 big wedding's coming up, a T-Shirt is about all i will be buying until after the summer so sign me up.

Rroff · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:20

nashathedog said:
I hope so but the silence say's a lot to me.

Hah - AMD have almost always been silent when they should be making a noise and making a noise when they should be shutting up :|

JediFragger · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:21

TheRealDeal said:
With 2 big wedding's coming up, a T-Shirt is about all i will be buying until after the summer so sign me up.

Polygamy?

TheRealDeal · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:23

nashathedog said:
If that is the case unless it's a water cooled reference I'd probably see a non reference 1080ti as being the better choice. AMD need to stop limiting board partners on the flagship card.

I hope so but the silence say's a lot to me.

Well they were pretty Vocal with Fury X and to an extent Polaris. None of which were mind blowing. I think the silence is actually a decent sign. People say Nvidia no better than any of us about what's coming and the fact that the 1080ti is clocked high enough to make it faster than Titan might be a good sign. The last time we had a Ti faster than the titan was the 780ti and AMD came in with the 290x. While not faster than the 780ti at the time it showed over time just what a good chip it was. The 980ti was slower than Titan X and was more than enough to cover the Fury X.

TheRealDeal · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:24

JediFragger said:
Polygamy?

I wish lol. My Daughter's and best man at my mates.

nashathedog · 10 Mar 2017 at 13:24

LoadsaMoney said:
Vega 10 is the flagship (the big one, ala the Fury X), and is rumoured to be going against the TXP/Ti, Vega 11 (the smaller one, ala the Fury Pro), is rumoured to be going against the 1070/80, and will be coming later.

I'm not sure about that, Aren't 10 and 11 different chips like Nvidia use for the 1080 and 1080ti, I thought they were different chips not the same chip with one using less cores.