AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Final8y]

Right, I don't give a #### about £400+ cards, I would rather AMD not bother, instead put what recorces they have into making great <£350 cards.

Most of that small number who want £600 cards buy Nvidia anyway so there is no point in AMD being there.

+1

 

[humbug]

IF AMD can sell a card as fast as a Titan X Pascal for 1080 money (£600) it will sell. Halo or not.

If AMD invest X$M on developing a £600 Pascal TX competitor and Nvidia release a £600 1080TI what happens to AMD's investment? you know what the market share is, if AMD are selling 1 such card to every 10 1080TI's AMD have wasted that investment.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Right, I don't give a #### about £400+ cards, I would rather AMD not bother, instead put what recorces they have into making great <£350 cards.

Thats what they're doing.

 

[old gamer]

A £350 amd card with performance right in between 1070/80 will get my money

 

[humbug]

Thats what they're doing.

Good.

 

[Stu]

A £350 amd card with performance right in between 1070/80 will get my money

Agreed, especially when considering the price difference between Freesync and G-sync.

 

[TNA]

People who spend £600+ on GPU are a tiny fraction of the market.

Sub £400 is where the money is at, especially the sub £300 and sub £200 segments.

£600+ cards are just halo products, the key is getting £600 cards under £400. Then your onto a winner.

Yes, but I am not disputing this. I use the word "relative" for a reason. The market you are talking about is for small Vega. The discussion here is about big Vega.

450-£500 Which is exactly where the 290X came in and look how that turned out the 780 still outsold it.

So now you want AMD to do repeat what they did with the 290x but with Vega on a more expensive process. the £500-600 bracket will sell a lot more than the £1000 bracket as long as its got NV name on it, will AMDs £600 card sell more than NV £1000 yeah sure but noting in comparison to NVs £600 card.

How am I saying this? It is like you keep seeing things I am not saying.. lol. Not sure if on purpose doing a strawman

IF AMD can sell a card as fast as a Titan X Pascal for 1080 money (£600) it will sell. Halo or not.

THIS is all I am trying to say. But for some reason the topic keeps changing to something else...

AMD will have had around 9 months extra and HBM2 advantage. Surely the question should not be if, but when

 

[humbug]

I don't think Big Vega is a £600 card, more like a £450 card with the salvage version of it the £350 card.

 

[TNA]

I don't think Big Vega is a £600 card, more like a £450 card with the salvage version of it the £350 card.

I think you are seriously selling AMD short there humbug. But better to keep your expectations low this time around I guess

 

[humbug]

I think you a seriously selling AMD short there humbug. But better to keep your expectations low this time around I guess

I think Big Vega will compete with Volta, GTX 1180, little Vega will replace Polaris.

 

[TNA]

I think Big Vega will compete with Volta, GTX 1180, little Vega will replace Polaris.

I was wrong then. Going by historic data, that would mean you are saying that Big Vega will be definitely be faster than Titan XP and will be coming in at around £450. Hope you are correct. That is even a more optimistic expectation than mine.

If Final8y found issue with my prediction/expectation, he will think you are a loony then

 

[nashathedog]

I don't think Big Vega is a £600 card, more like a £450 card with the salvage version of it the £350 card.

Doubtful, That's cheaper than Fiji was, My Fury pro was £440, Fury X's were £500+ so I can't imagine the first gen of 14nm being cheaper considering the additional cost of developing the die shrink. I want it to be but no it'll only be that cheap if it fails to deliver and performance is well under the 1080.

 

[regulus]

Soon these 'predictions' will become the Bible around here and dissenters will quickly be swarmed. Can already see the groundwork being laid. It's the 480 Polaris thread all over again where it was 'confirmed' by way of pure imagination that it'll comfortably beat a 980Ti and everyone jumped on the bandwagon after it being repeated enough to allegedly become fact. And funnily enough, it's the usual suspects again

 

[nashathedog]

I think Big Vega will compete with Volta, GTX 1180, little Vega will replace Polaris.

That's basically saying we've had the 400 series, Little Vega will probably go along side the Polaris chips in the 490's of the 400 range not replacements, I'm not too sure how I feel about big Vega being in the 500 series, That implies they're really struggling to keep up and release on time alongside Nvidia.

 

[humbug]

I was wrong then. Going by historic data, that would mean you are saying that Big Vega will be definitely be faster than Titan XP and will be coming in at around £450. Hope you are correct. That is even a more optimistic expectation than mine.

If Final8y found issue with my prediction/expectation, he will think you are a loony then

You think the 1180 will be faster than Pascal TX?

I'm not that optimistic, aside from Pascal TX the only Pascal card that beats the Maxwell TX is the 1080 and that's only possible because its 16nm vs 28nm, Volta is still on 16nm.

whats more, the 1080 is not much faster than Maxwell TX.

 

[nashathedog]

Soon these 'predictions' will become the Bible around here and dissenters will quickly be swarmed. Can already see the groundwork being laid. It's the 480 Polaris thread all over again where it was 'confirmed' by way of pure imagination that it'll comfortably beat a 980Ti and everyone jumped on the bandwagon after it being repeated enough to allegedly become fact. And funnily enough, it's the usual suspects again

I don't think that was ever the case, From what I remember just about everyone knew the 480 was going to be a lemon in respects to competing with Nvidia's mid tier chipped cards (1070 & 1080) from the start, Certainly not a 980ti beater.

 

[TNA]

You think the 1180 will be faster than Pascal TX?

I'm not that optimistic, aside from Pascal TX the only Pascal card that beats the Maxwell TX is the 1080 and that's only possible because its 16nm vs 28nm, Volta is still on 16nm.

whats more, the 1080 is not much faster than Maxwell TX.

Sure it could. Historically it always has. 980 beat Titan also on the same process did it not?

I think the 1080 has been shown to comfortably beat the TX. So my expectation is, unless Volta is milked or turns out to be a dud, the 1180 will beat the TXP. The process will have matured a bit.

This is also another reason I think Big Vega will easily be able to produce Titan XP performance. Not only will AMD have had roughly 9 month longer, HBM2, but also a more mature process meaning they will have better yield and therefore be able to sell and make a nice profit at the £500-600 range.

Besides I never said the 1180 would be much faster than Titan XP now did I, but I do think it will be faster like it historically has.

 

[regulus]

I don't think that was ever the case, From what I remember just about everyone knew the 480 was going to be a lemon in respects to competing with Nvidia's mid tier chipped cards (1070 & 1080) from the start, Certainly not a 980ti beater.

Nope. If you can be bothered, go back in that thread and look at Gibbo's reply. Around page 160. He brought some sense into it. Some people were convinced (based on nothing but repeating it to themselves enough) that it was around 980Ti speeds for a $199 price. Not all mind you, but the usual suspects. Nothing wrong with it, but one would hope that everything said in this thread will be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[regulus]

wonder whether it would beat the current nvidia flagship? any ideas?

Give it another 3-5 weeks and speculation will become facts. The hype train is just warming up at the moment. Still seats available if you're interested and want to hop on

But back on Earth, the ones that actually know (and not posting here) won't say a thing and the ones that don't know won't have a shortage of opinions.

So no, nobody knows until AMD announce something official.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Vega won't even top the 1080.