AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

nomadd · 21 Sep 2016 at 13:59

Jono8 said:
To be honest, the xbox scorpio might make all our gpu's look like crap if it is indeed going to have 6+ Tflops of power. That is huge for a console.

Though if vega is as powerful as those leaked specs suggest and volta comes out next year offering huge gains over pascal, the difference would be reset again.

But isn't Titan (Pascal) already supposed to be double that?

By late next year, that kind of card will be £199.00*

(* Nvidia may not price that way.

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LoadsaMoney · 21 Sep 2016 at 14:32

Jono8 said:
To be honest, the xbox scorpio might make all our gpu's look like crap if it is indeed going to have 6+ Tflops of power. That is huge for a console.

Yeah, AMD would do a console GPU that would make all our desktop cards look like crap, when they can't even do a desktop card that topples the 2yr old 970.

Makes perfect sense

Jono8 · 21 Sep 2016 at 14:38

I hadnt released the scorpio is not out for another year or more.

In that case it isnt as big a deal. 6tflops will likely be very mid to low range by xmas 2017.

tyler_jrb · 21 Sep 2016 at 14:51

Jono8 said:
I hadnt released the scorpio is not out for another year or more.

In that case it isnt as big a deal. 6tflops will likely be very mid to low range by xmas 2017.

It's already low-mid range in terms of AMD power. Rx480 (5.5tflop) level which is not really much more than a 1080p 60hz card.

Scorpio will be half decent in terms of console power. But it's still certainly not powerful enough to handle 4K at 60hz.

I'm still sticking and saying it will be a 1080p 60hz machine.

TNA · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:12

Final8y said:
They dont need to do the latter if What they are competing with is also highly priced for the comparable performance, just because its late does not mean they have to come in at 40% less in price than what the competition is selling at the time for the same performance.
The 7970 was not cheap the 290x was not cheap, the FuryX was not cheap.

This is where we disagree. They need to sell in high quantities. What you suggest will not do that. Worse yet when nvidia come out with Volta not so long after and AMD are forced to drop price so sharply, it will only serve to alienate their early adopters.

In my opinion if AMD want to get ahead, they need to see Titan XP performance as 1170 tier performance (which historically is close to the previous Titan performance) by Q2 next year and price accordingly. That way they get a huge surge of interest and market share. Furthermore they will not need to drop price much or at all when Volta arrives.

Besides, I have no problem if AMD have what they call a premium card (say 290X) and charge £800 or whatever for it, as long as the one below is only 10% slower (say 290) and they charge £500 for it for example. This would be the clever thing to do. Satisfies most of AMD users and they make huge margins from those who must have the best.

The cards you say were not cheap fit with the prices I was expecting to pay for Vega. £500-600 provided it is at least as fast as Titan XP that is. So not sure why you mentioned that, just supports my point rather than yours

Final8y · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:20

TNA said:
This is where we disagree. They need to sell in high quantities. What you suggest will not do that. Worse yet when nvidia come out with Volta not so long after and AMD are forced to drop price so sharply, it will only serve to alienate their early adopters.

There high quantities market is there 480/470/460, did the 290x, 7970, furyX sell in high quantities ?, you could apply what they need to do to any of those cards in the past to what i have mentioned, they could not get those cards to sell in high enough quantities that's why they are starting at the other end the 480, 470.
There market share was going down with the 290x, 7970 there refreshed versions 390x 380 ect... and below is what started to get there marketshare back because the process had gotten cheap enough and some R&D recovered, resulting in a price drop.

winwin · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:20

wonder whether it would beat the current nvidia flagship? any ideas?

shankly1985 · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:26

winwin said:
wonder whether it would beat the current nvidia flagship? any ideas?

Maybe Yes, Maybe No

Truth of the matter is no one on here knows. unless you have inside information that is

winwin · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:27

haha true true. aw man now im wondering whether i should have stick to a free sync monitor and just go with a full amd build next year lol

LoadsaMoney · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:53

AMD VEGA and NAVI Roadmap

http://videocardz.com/63715/amd-vega-and-navi-roadmap

http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-navi-gpu-roadmap-leak/

TNA · 21 Sep 2016 at 15:54

Final8y said:
There high quantities market is there 480/470/460, did the 290x, 7970, furyX sell in high quantities ?, you could apply what they need to do to any of those cards in the past to what i have mentioned, they could not get those cards to sell in high enough quantities that's why they are starting at the other end the 480, 470.
There market share was going down with the 290x, 7970 there refreshed versions 390x and below is what started to get there marketshare back because the process had gotten cheap enough and some R&D recovered, resulting in a price drop.

You are taking what I said out of context. I never said that the high end was their high quantity market. I am saying they need to be selling them in high quantity relative it's tier. Not sure the rest of that post is relevant to original debate so won't engage with that, otherwise we will be going on back and forth forever

Final8y · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:08

TNA said:
You are taking what I said out of context. I never said that the high end was their high quantity market. I am saying they need to be selling them in high quantity relative it's tier. Not sure the rest of that post is relevant to original debate so won't engage with that, otherwise we will be going on back and forth forever

And thats what they are doing, but that has not happened in the high end bracket for AMD and you have been saying TitanXP which is a halo product and high quantities does not come into it and they are not going to sell high quantities in the £600 bracket when they could not sell high quantities in the £500 bracket or £450 for that matter.

TNA · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:24

Final8y said:
And thats what they are doing, but that has not happened in the high end bracket for AMD and you have been saying TitanXP which is a halo product and high quantities does not come into it and they are not going to sell high quantities in the £600 bracket when they could not sell high quantities in the £500 bracket or £450 for that matter.

I respectfully disagree. I am willing to bet £450-£500 bracket cards would sell a lot more than a 4 figure bracket card. Pretty sure the 980Ti sold a hell of a lot more vs the Titan X for example. Also pretty sure 1080 has sold a lot more than Titan XP.

AMD would generate a lot of good press and sales if they release Titan XP tier performance for £500-600. This is not an impossible task considering they will be nearly a year late.

humbug · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:30

TNA said:
This is where we disagree. They need to sell in high quantities. What you suggest will not do that. Worse yet when nvidia come out with Volta not so long after and AMD are forced to drop price so sharply, it will only serve to alienate their early adopters.

In my opinion if AMD want to get ahead, they need to see Titan XP performance as 1170 tier performance (which historically is close to the previous Titan performance) by Q2 next year and price accordingly. That way they get a huge surge of interest and market share. Furthermore they will not need to drop price much or at all when Volta arrives.

Besides, I have no problem if AMD have what they call a premium card (say 290X) and charge £800 or whatever for it, as long as the one below is only 10% slower (say 290) and they charge £500 for it for example. This would be the clever thing to do. Satisfies most of AMD users and they make huge margins from those who must have the best.

The cards you say were not cheap fit with the prices I was expecting to pay for Vega. £500-600 provided it is at least as fast as Titan XP that is. So not sure why you mentioned that, just supports my point rather than yours

People who spend £600+ on GPU are a tiny fraction of the market.

Sub £400 is where the money is at, especially the sub £300 and sub £200 segments.

£600+ cards are just halo products, the key is getting £600 cards under £400. Then your onto a winner.

Boomstick777 · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:34

Rezident said:
I wish these would hurry up so there was a high-end card with a sane price. If AMD go out of business, we’re screwed, I’ll have to buy a console or something.

Ha AMD make the GPU's in the consoles too so either way you can use AMD. Think they put out 70 Million console 'APU's so far. No danger of AMD going anywhere anytime soon xD

Final8y · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:37

TNA said:
I respectfully disagree. I am willing to bet £450-£500 bracket cards would sell a lot more than a 4 figure bracket card. Pretty sure the 980Ti sold a hell of a lot more vs the Titan X for example. Also pretty sure 1080 has sold a lot more than Titan XP.

AMD would generate a lot of good press and sales if they release Titan XP tier performance for £500-600. This is not an impossible task considering they will be nearly a year late.

450-£500 Which is exactly where the 290X came in and look how that turned out the 780 still outsold it.

So now you want AMD to do repeat what they did with the 290x but with Vega on a more expensive process. the £500-600 bracket will sell a lot more than the £1000 bracket as long as its got NV name on it, will AMDs £600 card sell more than NV £1000 yeah sure but noting in comparison to NVs £600 card.

humbug · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:40

It depends if its worth AMD making big expensive cards.

If people just want them to do that to keep Nvidia pricing in check then no i don't think they should, its a waste of their resources.

Final8y · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:41

humbug said:
People who spend £600+ on GPU are a tiny fraction of the market.

Sub £400 is where the money is at, especially the sub £300 and sub £200 segments.

£600+ cards are just halo products, the key is getting £600 cards under £400. Then your onto a winner.

+1

And the Sub £300 market is AMDs safety net.

RanxZy · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:44

humbug said:
People who spend £600+ on GPU are a tiny fraction of the market.

Sub £400 is where the money is at, especially the sub £300 and sub £200 segments.

£600+ cards are just halo products, the key is getting £600 cards under £400. Then your onto a winner.

IF AMD can sell a card as fast as a Titan X Pascal for 1080 money (£600) it will sell. Halo or not.

humbug · 21 Sep 2016 at 16:45

Final8y said:
+1

And the Sub £300 market is AMDs safety net.

Right, I don't give a #### about £400+ cards, I would rather AMD not bother, instead put what recorces they have into making great <£350 cards.

Most of that small number who want £600 cards buy Nvidia anyway so there is no point in AMD being there.