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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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alec said:
Estimates from pictures range from 475 to 560mm2
Point is, it is a massive change from regular GCN CUs. Even if potential for high performance is there, it won't all be there at launch.

I predict Vega will not reach stock 1080Ti performance apart from couple edge cases. And it will overclock worse.
Being 1 year late to the party already, they need to be very smart with pricing.
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Vega is on schedule, it was never to be released earlier than H1 2017 since its announcement back in 2015.
On the contrary, Volta is late and pushed back from 2016 to 2018 and because of that, Nvidia respin Maxwell at smaller node and made the Pascal.........
 
Panos said:
On the contrary, Volta is late and pushed back from 2016 to 2018 and because of that, Nvidia respin Maxwell at smaller node and made the Pascal.........
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Dunno why you keep saying this unless you have me on ignore or something :s

Volta was never a 2016 product - while there has been some switching around of projects behind the scenes (a very long time ago) - the roadmap simply didn't extend past Maxwell - Volta was put on their as an example future project hence it has no date even though it sits in the 2016 slot there is no 2016 legend and the actual presentation explains this. It isn't so much it got switched around with Pascal the timeline simply doesn't extend past Maxwell.

Volta development was always dictated by Oak Ridge Summit with the premise of delivering Volta through 2017 for the facility going operational in 2018 - this was pushed back slightly due to the power/thermal envelope required (not by design issues) which ostensibly needed 10nm but looks like they are going to get away with it by using "12nm".

EDIT: And to be picky you can't just "respin" Maxwell and make Pascal - the lithography required below 28nm is very different - and while Pascal leans heavily on Maxwell its not much different to the way Maxwell is generally very similar to Kepler - there are significant architecture changes as well even though it largely shares a lot in common. Not like its any different on the AMD side - Vega will be the first significant change from the last few iterations of the GCN architecture.
 
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I get the feeling Volta is going to be very good. Can easily see Titan XP performance for under £400 next year, so if Vega sucks, at least there is that to look forward to :D
 
TNA said:
I get the feeling Volta is going to be very good. Can easily see Titan XP performance for under £400 next year, so if Vega sucks, at least there is that to look forward to :D
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I wonder if we will see Volta (atleast in its current guise) in GeForce GPUs - the development for Volta is somewhat different in focus to the way nVidia have produced GPUs previously - it isn't just another increment in the line of Fermi->Kepler->Maxwell, etc. where they just broadly designed a GPU - but designed with a focus of fulfilling the needs of specific customers primarily.

Infact wouldn't surprise me if nVidia just do another second revision Maxwell and use a stripped out, gaming focused Pascal with the top end on 500+mm2 cores with a few tweaks and maybe on 12nm.

EDIT: I kind of hope AMD pull a blinder with Vega though and force nVidia to bring Volta forward onto GeForce GPUs as by all accounts Volta is pretty monstrous performance wise.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Best to ignore anything they post really. Let's not forget their constant stories about how the RX 480 would easily clock to 1400 and 1500Mhz, and then match the GTX 1070 or AMD Fury at launch.

They post a lot of silly things, most of it with no true source. Best to just sit and wait again.
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Well to be fair, my 480 'easily' clocks to 1400 Core without any voltage adjustment so they were a little bit correct :) I do 1400 Core in games and its rock solid stable, not sure if the 4GB 480's clock better or not though. :p
 
Rroff said:
I wonder if we will see Volta (atleast in its current guise) in GeForce GPUs - the development for Volta is somewhat different in focus to the way nVidia have produced GPUs previously - it isn't just another increment in the line of Fermi->Kepler->Maxwell, etc. where they just broadly designed a GPU - but designed with a focus of fulfilling the needs of specific customers primarily.

Infact wouldn't surprise me if nVidia just do another second revision Maxwell and use a stripped out, gaming focused Pascal with the top end on 500+mm2 cores with a few tweaks and maybe on 12nm.

EDIT: I kind of hope AMD pull a blinder with Vega though and force nVidia to bring Volta forward onto GeForce GPUs as by all accounts Volta is pretty monstrous performance wise.
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Nvidia will release a small Volta chip first with a new Drive PX unit in Q3. Big Volta chips for summit ridge comes in 2018Q1. Gaming Volta likely Q2 IMO.
 
Rroff said:
Dunno why you keep saying this unless you have me on ignore or something :s

Volta was never a 2016 product - while there has been some switching around of projects behind the scenes (a very long time ago) - the roadmap simply didn't extend past Maxwell - Volta was put on their as an example future project hence it has no date even though it sits in the 2016 slot there is no 2016 legend and the actual presentation explains this. It isn't so much it got switched around with Pascal the timeline simply doesn't extend past Maxwell.

Volta development was always dictated by Oak Ridge Summit with the premise of delivering Volta through 2017 for the facility going operational in 2018 - this was pushed back slightly due to the power/thermal envelope required (not by design issues) which ostensibly needed 10nm but looks like they are going to get away with it by using "12nm".

EDIT: And to be picky you can't just "respin" Maxwell and make Pascal - the lithography required below 28nm is very different - and while Pascal leans heavily on Maxwell its not much different to the way Maxwell is generally very similar to Kepler - there are significant architecture changes as well even though it largely shares a lot in common. Not like its any different on the AMD side - Vega will be the first significant change from the last few iterations of the GCN architecture.
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Exactly, a date was never given for Volta but it was designed for 10nm to hit power targets. 10nm was delayed, now looks like 10nm is not a great process but TSMC has a hybrid 12nm that is good enough and earlier. So if anything you could say that Volta will be released ahead of schedule
 
Panos said:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...dia-changes-roadmap-volta-is-now-due-in-2018/

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/3lwcuq/nvidia_volta_now_delayed_by_one_year_to_2018/
http://www.isportstimes.com/article...nate-gpu-2017-nvidia-takes-backseat-volta.htm
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Look at the information that is based on though!

To quote from one of the comments:

Both of those statements are incorrect -- NV is not pulling Pascal and not delaying Volta. The 2016 dates for Pascal and 2018 for Volta have long been in place and publicly documented! Anton, you should not use WCCFTech as a reliable/legitimate source and then you wouldn't be surprised.

Pascal = 2016 <-- This was known at least as of March 25, 2014:

http://blogs.nvidia.com/blo...

Volta = 2018 <-- This was known at least as of March 17, 2015:

http://www.extremetech.com/...

or http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

KitGuru needs to rely less on click bait articles from WCCFTech. The only Volta parts slated for 2017 were rumored for commercial purposes, not for mainstream consumer graphics sales.
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