AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Panos]

haha good one
Honestly I'll be ****** if AMD bring out a faster card than Ti but personally I can only see them competing with 1080, to bring out a 1080 Ti beating card it'll have to be more than 2x as fast as a rx480 something I don't think AMD have up it's sleeve

RX480 is middle-low budget card, and well bellow the FuryX in perf.
Also FuryX to 1080 is something like 40% difference, which is more than doable given that Vega is a brand new core and not an iteration of GCN with all the extra tech also.


As I would be surprised beating the 1080Ti/TXP, equally surprised going to be if Vega cannot beat the 1080 by a big margin.

 

[Jono8]

haha good one
Honestly I'll be ****** if AMD bring out a faster card than Ti but personally I can only see them competing with 1080, to bring out a 1080 Ti beating card it'll have to be more than 2x as fast as a rx480 something I don't think AMD have up it's sleeve

If the top vega card isn't close to the 1080ti and only competes with the 1080 then I will be very surprised. The 1080 will have been out for a year soon (and by the time vega comes out)!

If it only competes with a 1080 then it better be very cheap (~£350) otherwise we will have had very little progress in 12 months !

 

[TNA]

RX480 is middle-low budget card, and well bellow the FuryX in perf.
Also FuryX to 1080 is something like 40% difference, which is more than doable given that Vega is a brand new core and not an iteration of GCN with all the extra tech also.


As I would be surprised beating the 1080Ti/TXP, equally surprised going to be if Vega cannot beat the 1080 by a big margin.

Unless the RX 480 is much faster than a 290 than I am pretty sure the 1080 is a lot faster than 40% vs a RX 480. Man, even in most games I tried my 1070 was around 70% faster than my 290. That said, my 290 runs stock, my 1070 was overclocked. But not like the overclock is more than 10% anyway.

That said, I think it is short sighted to look at RX 480 performance and judge what AMD can bring out with Vega.

If the top vega card isn't close to the 1080ti and only competes with the 1080 then I will be very surprised. The 1080 will have been out for a year soon (and by the time vega comes out)!

If it only competes with a 1080 then it better be very cheap (~£350) otherwise we will have had very little progress in 12 months !

+1

 

[AlamoX]

If the top vega card isn't close to the 1080ti and only competes with the 1080 then I will be very surprised. The 1080 will have been out for a year soon (and by the time vega comes out)!

If it only competes with a 1080 then it better be very cheap (~£350) otherwise we will have had very little progress in 12 months !

it's not really about for how long the 1080 was out, and more like, when can a new jump in performance happen, imo not soon enough, GP102 is 471mm², next stop might be new Titan with 610mm², price-wise wont be really competing, but just perf crown performance, AMD eeds to beat 1080 with a much better perf/$ and consistantly.

 

[Panos]

Unless the RX 480 is much faster than a 290 than I am pretty sure the 1080 is a lot faster than 40% vs a RX 480. Man, even in most games I tried my 1070 was around 70% faster than my 290. That said, my 290 runs stock, my 1070 was overclocked. But not like the overclock is more than 10% anyway.

That said, I think it is short sighted to look at RX 480 performance and judge what AMD can bring out with Vega.


+1

I wrote FURYX and 1080 the difference is 40%. NOT RX480.

 

[TNA]

I wrote FURYX and 1080 the difference is 40%. NOT RX480.

My bad, misread that, was half asleep I think

 

[BigBANGtheory]

For me its more a question of when can I play ultra 4K@60fps on AMD hardware with no smoke, mirrors or future promises if developers do the right thing. I personally consider a cheaper solution at lower resolutions to be a big fat meh, but I do accept that is important to many just not for me.

 

[Gregster]

I feel we should all keep in mind that whilst we don't really know what Vega will bring and some are predicting 1080 performance, some are predicting 1080Ti performance, remember the video AMD released a while back at CES?

They were having a pop at Volta there, so whilst keeping feet firmly planted on the ground, maybe they have something coming that will far surpass ALL the Pascal cards and take on the unreleased Volta cards. Marketing is marketing of course but to make a statement of "Poor Volta" could well mean that they have a beast coming!

 

[eiamhere69]

The Fury underperformed due to bottlenecks. it couldn't feed it's shaders fast enough. If this was not a problem, it would have been a different story.

AMD have solved this problem and many more. coupled with the architectural improvements and all the new magic sauce, we really are looking at a beast.

That marketing image from a few months back (poor Volta) is ballsy ("overclockers dream" will still be fresh in many users minds though )

I suspect better than Titan XP despite what people say (provided no other problems or bottlenecks have been introduced) Titan is a year old after all and AMD have been refining for years now (since before, as well as during Polaris)

The thing that worries is the silence, it was never a good sign, even when the sandbagged? Zen, they gave an idea how good it would be.

After overcharging due to no competition, essentially raking it in for almost a year Nvidia undercut their own prices still with no competition. Prices now sit at the point they were intended at release. I think Nvidia are making what they can before Vegas release, knowing it will be priced competitive . Despite price drops, very good profits are still being made.


I am unsure how they'll price it, but

Months after we have Volta, this puts AMD a little ahead, depending how you look at it, but Volta could end up being anywhere at this point. If they reintroduce hardware for DX12, this could either hamper or explode Nvidia performance.

Nvidia would be stupid not to refresh Pascal, we know thry love money.

1080 and 1060 models with faster ram are already confirmed, but maybe they will have an avtual refresh months later?

It depends on how long there paper launch is

This is my optimistic and likely wrong opinion

 

[BigBANGtheory]

and to quote AMD : "The release of Vega later this year will mark Radeon’s commanding return to the ultra-enthusiast gaming market."

at this point in time there are only two ultra-enthusiast GPUs on the market, one you struggle to get hold of and the other at stratospheric pricing.

 

[eiamhere69]

1080ti is out now, The chip itself has been there a year (by Vegas release) Vega is still in development, has been for sometime. I feel it reasonable for it be be a capable card.

A huge proportion of AMDs amazingly proven engineers will be working on this. If it lands at even just below 1080ti performance , almost nothing will change (unless a very low price - but HBM2, so no) Most peoples opinion is that AMD must offer between 1080 and 1080 ti for a lot less, this will hurt them.

Amd clearly are going for a monster card, one that is price high end but performs like a genuine high end card. I hope they succeed for everyones sake.

 

[TNA]

I feel we should all keep in mind that whilst we don't really know what Vega will bring and some are predicting 1080 performance, some are predicting 1080Ti performance, remember the video AMD released a while back at CES?

They were having a pop at Volta there, so whilst keeping feet firmly planted on the ground, maybe they have something coming that will far surpass ALL the Pascal cards and take on the unreleased Volta cards. Marketing is marketing of course but to make a statement of "Poor Volta" could well mean that they have a beast coming!

Would be nice if they did, but even I highly doubt they have something Volta will not be able to beat when it comes. Volta will likely be on 12nm so it will be able to beat Vega without a problem I would imagine. Maybe what they meant by that was not necessarily performance, but the fact that they know it will be delayed by a lot and that AMD will be top dog until it comes. Many ways to interpret that, everyone automatically assumes it means Vega will be better than Volta..

How I see Vega beating Volta is if they can somehow get multiple GPUs to work together properly like a single gpu card. If that happens then no one will care who has the fastest single gpu card, but who offers the best graphics card full stop. Now I see this as a possibility as if people have been watching and paying close attention to what Raja has been saying the past year, he has said that in order to get to photorealistic graphics there needs to be a huge jump yet still in hardware and one of the ways to help get there quicker is using multiple gpu's.

If with the aid of HMB2 and their caching system they have found a way to get two or more gpu's to work together properly like a single gpu does, the it sure could be a "poor Volta" situation as AMD could offer two vega gpu's on one card or even 3 and easily beat a faster single gpu Volta for price for performance.

All speculation by part of course, but offers a different way of looking at things at least. Certainly more plausible than what majority of people here predict which was big vega will be 1070 performance. Lol

 

[Panos]

How I see Vega beating Volta is if they can somehow get multiple GPUs to work together properly like a single gpu card. If that happens then no one will care who has the fastest single gpu card, but who offers the best graphics card full stop. Now I see this as a possibility as if people have been watching and paying close attention to what Raja has been saying the past year, he has said that in order to get to photorealistic graphics there needs to be a huge jump yet still in hardware and one of the ways to help get there quicker is using multiple gpu's.

If with the aid of HMB2 and their caching system they have found a way to get two or more gpu's to work together properly like a single gpu does, the it sure could be a "poor Volta" situation as AMD could offer two vega gpu's on one card or even 3 and easily beat a faster single gpu Volta for price for performance.

All speculation by part of course, but offers a different way of looking at things at least. Certainly more plausible than what majority of people here predict which was big vega will be 1070 performance. Lol

That's something Raja mentioned more than twice now talking about Vega. That there will be single PCB card with 2+ Vegas working as a single entity.
Nothing to do with CF etc. Just a single GFX card, regardless how many chips are there.
Imho in similar fashion to how Ryzen CPUs are. 2 quad cores, working together as a single 8 core.

And the footprint required on the card of the GPU + HBM allows that easily.

 

[TNA]

That's something Raja mentioned more than twice now talking about Vega. That there will be single PCB card with 2+ Vegas working as a single entity.
Nothing to do with CF etc. Just a single GFX card, regardless how many chips are there.
Imho in similar fashion to how Ryzen CPUs are. 2 quad cores, working together as a single 8 core.

And the footprint required on the card of the GPU + HBM allows that easily.

Let's just hope it works properly like a single GPU does, with no difference. No need to waiting on drivers etc. Works day one like every other single GPU card. Now if that is the case, Vega will be something very special indeed! My 1000w PSU awaits

Would be nice to be able to set in the drivers for games to use one, two or three GPUs. So if I am playing FIFA 17, pointless having more than one GPU on, so I save on electric and it runs cooler

 

[Panos]

Let's just hope it works properly like a single GPU does, with no difference. No need to waiting on drivers etc. Works day one like every other single GPU card. Now if that is the case, Vega will be something very special indeed! My 1000w PSU awaits

Would be nice to be able to set in the drivers for games to use one, two or three GPUs. So if I am playing FIFA 17, pointless having more than one GPU on, so I save on electric and it runs cooler

Maybe on the AMD settings, will have a custom profile per application to select from a combo box how many cores you need
I know a game I will revisit if that happens. TW Attila everything maxed out, trying another campaign as ERE. Beautiful units, great graphics, but runs like a dog

 

[Kaapstad]

Let's just hope it works properly like a single GPU does, with no difference. No need to waiting on drivers etc. Works day one like every other single GPU card. Now if that is the case, Vega will be something very special indeed! My 1000w PSU awaits

Would be nice to be able to set in the drivers for games to use one, two or three GPUs. So if I am playing FIFA 17, pointless having more than one GPU on, so I save on electric and it runs cooler

With CF and more than 2 GPUs you can already pick which ones you want to use.

 

[Curlyriff]

Let's just hope it works properly like a single GPU does, with no difference. No need to waiting on drivers etc. Works day one like every other single GPU card. Now if that is the case, Vega will be something very special indeed! My 1000w PSU awaits

Would be nice to be able to set in the drivers for games to use one, two or three GPUs. So if I am playing FIFA 17, pointless having more than one GPU on, so I save on electric and it runs cooler

Well the Infinity Fabric is meant to scale up to 512GBps for Vega GPU so that would suggest that the cross talk between the cores should not be the issue. It will still require drivers and games developers to understand how they talk to one another and how to attribute their workload to one another though so I don't see it much difference to a dual chip card we have seen it in the past.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Ah but is this describing a '295 X2 like solution' by any other name or something different? More questions to be answered dammit

 

[nashathedog]

That is very good news. Even more reason for me to get Vega then

Lets hope it takes advantage of the Vulkan tech that GCN likes and isn't using a tacked on Vulcan base (if that make sense).
After all it is very late in the day to be changing the API.

 

[TNA]

With CF and more than 2 GPUs you can already pick which ones you want to use.

Yes I know that. But we are not talking about CF. CF/SLI is ****. Just ask Loadsamoney. lol

I suppose you are saying as CF can do it they should be able to do it with this too. Yea, I guess so, should not be much different.

Ah but is this describing a '295 X2 like solution' by any other name or something different? More questions to be answered dammit

Yes, but 295x2 = CF which is ****. No one wants that. We want something with multiple cores like CPU's or should I say like servers where they have multiple CPU's on a rack. Maybe they can do something from drivers side to make two GPU's seem like one? I do not know really