AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[N19h7m4r3]

Yes, but 295x2 = CF which is ****. No one wants that. We want something with multiple cores like CPU's. Maybe they can do something from drivers side to make two GPU's seem like one? I do not know really

That won't happen with Vega. It's Navi that's about scalable GPUs, and that's still another year or two away.

 

[Curlyriff]

Ah but is this describing a '295 X2 like solution' by any other name or something different? More questions to be answered dammit

I would say it is a more refined 295 X2 solution which allows better cross talk and work sharing but still requires input from AMD & devs to utilise it efficiently. It just depends on how much it can do to share the info and it not have a problem with bottlenecking if it uses two different chips to complete a single task which is where the Infinity Fabric should (hopefully) resolve such issue with such high speeds).

 

[TNA]

That won't happen with Vega. It's Navi that's about scalable GPUs, and that's still another year or two away.

Yea, this is probably true. If I was a betting man I would say it is more likely to come with Navi, which to be fair is what is meant to be Volta's competition. Vega is Pascal's competition. It is just VERY late to the game. That is why it should be beating Pascal imo.

 

[Rroff]

Well the Infinity Fabric is meant to scale up to 512GBps for Vega GPU so that would suggest that the cross talk between the cores should not be the issue. It will still require drivers and games developers to understand how they talk to one another and how to attribute their workload to one another though so I don't see it much difference to a dual chip card we have seen it in the past.

You need low latency as well as bandwidth to have any chance of virtualising 2 cores as one for games and its hard to beat say grabbing data from a cache a few microns away versus down a trace measurable in cm.

(Cached reads can be in excess of 2TB/s and 1/3rd the latency of global memory).

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yea, this is probably true. If I was a betting man I would say it is more likely to come with Navi, which to be fair is what is meant to be Volta's competition. Vega is Pascal's competition. It is just VERY late to the game. That is why it should be beating Pascal imo.

I certainly hope it fits in between Pascal and Volta, but honestly I'd just be happy with it competing with GP102.

AMD already clawed back 9% market share from NVIDIA last year with Polaris alone, they just need a well priced and performing part to get back more.
If it doesn't best or match the 1080Ti I'll be disappointed, but I'll still support them if Vega is priced competitively.

Let's just hope DX12 and Vulkan Multi-GPU is adopted a lot more, or the APIs just even supported better when the time Navi comes. Otherwise they're going to be stuck with multi-core graphics cards that have little to no scaling.

 

[nashathedog]

Has there been any real Vega news recently? I've gone a few pages back in the thread but as someone put it, there is a lot of "guff". Looking to go to 1440p soon, I want to stay on AMD, but I don't think R9 290 to RX480 is a shrewd move.

I'd wait if I was you, Now is the wrong time to go buying a new GPU regardless of brand, Apparently AMD plan to do refreshes of the 400 series and after that Vega will finally come.
I'm guessing you do not buy graphics cards that often and with Nvidia overpricing the high end Pascal cards and the 480 not being a worthy replacement for you you'd be best served waiting, Before my current card I was running a 290x, At the time I had a 1080p monitor but I ran all my games at 1440p using AMD's VSR and the 290x did a good job so even if you buy the monitor first you'll still be gaming okay and Vega should offer us both a solid improvement, That's over your 290x at 1440p and my Fury pro at UW 1440.

 

[nashathedog]

That's something Raja mentioned more than twice now talking about Vega. That there will be single PCB card with 2+ Vegas working as a single entity.
Nothing to do with CF etc. Just a single GFX card, regardless how many chips are there.
Imho in similar fashion to how Ryzen CPUs are. 2 quad cores, working together as a single 8 core.

And the footprint required on the card of the GPU + HBM allows that easily.

If they can manage a dual chip card that does not need some type of profile and game by game micro-managing it would be great, but if it does not so much.

 

[Rroff]

If they can manage a dual chip card that does not need some type of profile and game by game micro-managing it would be great, but if it does not so much.

Outside of compute tasks (which naturally suit infinity fabric type tech, etc.) I really can't see how they can do it - AFR is always dependant on how much one frame being rendered relies on another frame rendered before it. Hardware wise you'd struggle to divide work up without encountering huge penalties and the over heads of using software to make sure data is split between cores in a way that reduces costly transfers would pretty much exactly offset the performance gains.

IMO the future of multi GPU is to get devs exploiting explicit multi adapter using their knowledge of how the game works to sidestep any software marshalling penalties.

 

[humbug]

The Fury underperformed due to bottlenecks. it couldn't feed it's shaders fast enough. If this was not a problem, it would have been a different story.

AMD have solved this problem and many more. coupled with the architectural improvements and all the new magic sauce, we really are looking at a beast.

That marketing image from a few months back (poor Volta) is ballsy ("overclockers dream" will still be fresh in many users minds though )

I suspect better than Titan XP despite what people say (provided no other problems or bottlenecks have been introduced) Titan is a year old after all and AMD have been refining for years now (since before, as well as during Polaris)

The thing that worries is the silence, it was never a good sign, even when the sandbagged? Zen, they gave an idea how good it would be.

After overcharging due to no competition, essentially raking it in for almost a year Nvidia undercut their own prices still with no competition. Prices now sit at the point they were intended at release. I think Nvidia are making what they can before Vegas release, knowing it will be priced competitive . Despite price drops, very good profits are still being made.


I am unsure how they'll price it, but

Months after we have Volta, this puts AMD a little ahead, depending how you look at it, but Volta could end up being anywhere at this point. If they reintroduce hardware for DX12, this could either hamper or explode Nvidia performance.

Nvidia would be stupid not to refresh Pascal, we know thry love money.

1080 and 1060 models with faster ram are already confirmed, but maybe they will have an avtual refresh months later?

It depends on how long there paper launch is

This is my optimistic and likely wrong opinion

Thats true, without that bottleneck it was easily quicker than the 980TI.

 

[eiamhere69]

Thats true, without that bottleneck it was easily quicker than the 980TI.

This is what I'm now thinking. Instead of looking at it as a Fury with 40% increase, look at "fixed" Fury with 40%, maybe more , they've had time and there are also many overdue, but very important features to be implemented. I don't want to hype / disappoint, but I believe it is very possible.

To be safe we should just expect RX480 at 1400mhz (sarcasm)

 

[humbug]

I haven't been following this thread much latley but as far as i'm aware we have an 'RX 580' leak? from the info on wccf i believe it is that is just a clocked RX 480, it might catch up with the 290X, sorry 390X.... no wait that was right, they are the same card.

I'm more interested to know when we will get a £300 replacement for AMD's 2013 £300 GPU? still waiting............

 

[TNA]

Yeah, no interest in the 580, sounds like it will be 10% improvement or something like that, basically making it a 390X. Then they will likely want £200-250 for it meaning not much has changed in that segment for price for performance in years. I hope I am wrong however, but doubt it.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yeah, no interest in the 580, sounds like it will be 10% improvement or something like that, basically making it a 390X. Then they will likely want £200-250 for it meaning not much has changed in that segment for price for performance in years. I hope I am wrong however, but doubt it.

I don't mind it really, 10-15% is a nice little bump for the same price. Especially if the Process got refined a little more. Remember how well the XFX GTR clocked and ran, if that means the "new" card's base the old's Boost it'll still be very nice for low-mid range.

I just hope little Vegs is great on performance, price and power.

 

[humbug]

So whats all the talk about? is there a bigger GPU than the RX 580 leaked?

 

[TNA]

So whats all the talk about? is there a bigger GPU than the RX 580 leaked?

Yes, apparently it will be Vega architecture taking on the 1080 for around £250 and be available for pre-order on the first day of April!

You heard it here first folks! HYPE!!!!!

 

[humbug]

Yes, apparently it will be Vega architecture taking on the 1080 for around £250 and be available for pre-order on the first day of April!

You heard it here first folks! HYPE!!!!!

No, plz no.... I'm still recovering from the Ryzen Hype, even if for the most part it did live up.

 

[TNA]

No, plz no.... I'm still recovering from the Ryzen Hype, even if for the most part it did live up.

The hype is real bro, I heard it from a very reliable source. Apparently the said individual heard it directly from Lisa Su while he was being punished in her panic room recently!

Oh and I thought you was going to say that you are stills recovering from the 480 hype. Lol.

 

[humbug]

The hype is real bro, I heard it from a very reliable source. Apparently the said individual heard it directly from Lisa Su while being punished in her panic room!

Oh and I thought you was going to say that you are stills recovering from the 480 hype. Lol.

RX 480 too, yeah, it still burns

 

[TNA]

RX 480 too, yeah, it still burns

I will never forget you and the 480 hype train, you was in the drivers seat on that train

 

[humbug]

I will never forget you and the 480 hype train, you was in the drivers seat on that train

I drove it so well