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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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I only went to the Fury, as i was getting 2x of them, i wanted to try Xfire, if i was just going single card again, then i wouldn't have bothered, as it would have just been a sidegrade from my 290X, id have waited for the 1070.
 
nashathedog said:
Aren't the Vega 10 & 11 different chips though?
The Fury X & Fury pro are both one chip with the pro being a cut down version.
I was under the impression Vega 11 was a different chip not the Vega 10 with some cores disabled.
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Couldn't tell you, if AMD have said they are different chips, then ive not seen it (links anyone?), so im just assuming they are just like their previous, same chip, 10 being the big, 11 being the small, which is just a cutdown 10, and then just relaunched before NAVI, like they done with their 400s, which just got relaunced again before Vega, and their 290s before that, that just got relaunched again before their Furys.
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
Couldn't tell you, if AMD have said they are differnt chips, then ive not seen it, so im just assuming they are just like their previous, same chip, 10 being the big, 11 being the small, which is just a cutdown 10, and then just relaunched before NAVI.
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The Polaris 11 is not a cut down 10 it's a much smaller chip at 123mm2 compared to Polaris 11 232mm2. If there is a Vega 11 it should be a different chip. In this slide from AMD you can see Vega 11.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/AMD-VEGA-10-VEGA20-VEGA-11-NAVI-roadmap.jpg
 
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Saying that though, Vega isn't like the Furys and 290s, which were the same arc (as far as know), Vega is a new arc, and AMD (at least i think it was them), said they could do them with both GDDR5 and HBM, so we could see others.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Couldn't tell you, if AMD have said they are different chips, then ive not seen it (links anyone?), so im just assuming they are just like their previous, same chip, 10 being the big, 11 being the small, which is just a cutdown 10, and then just relaunched before NAVI, like they done with their 400s, which just got relaunced again before Vega, and their 290s before that, that just got relaunched again before their Furys.
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If it turns out Vega 11 is a cut down Vega 10 yeah that sucks and the most we'll get is 2 cards and maybe another Nano making it 3. But from the way Raj was talking when questioned it seemed to be 2 seperate chips as TheRealDeal said.

How many different Polaris chips are there?
 
nashathedog said:
If it turns out Vega 11 is a cut down Vega 10 yeah that sucks and the most we'll get is 2 cards and maybe another Nano making it 3.
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Ahh yeah, i forgot about the Nano, that was just an X clocked 50MHz lower wasn't it, and one power connector less :p

EDIT: there you go then, Vega relaunched again before NAVI, along with another Vega, the Nano type card. :D
 
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TNA said:
So what does Vega 10 and 11 mean to you? Unless people made that up, it is reasonable to conclude each will have at least 2 gpu's imo.
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it mean 2 different Chips sizes like GP102 /GP104, or polaris 10 and polaris 11, each chip has a specific size you get a fully functional chip and anothr lasered for defective yield, so from GP104 you get full 1080 and cutdown 1070, from polaris 10 you get 480 and 470, FuryX and fury, usualy the performance gap is between 10% to 20%.
but some ppl here think there will be 2 different chips, meaning 4 SKUs to take on 4 segements like Titan+Ti and another one for 1080+1070, and i dont believe thats the case.
 
nashathedog said:
If it turns out Vega 11 is a cut down Vega 10 yeah that sucks and the most we'll get is 2 cards and maybe another Nano making it 3. But from the way Raj was talking when questioned it seemed to be 2 seperate chips as TheRealDeal said.

How many different Polaris chips are there?
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IMO, vega 11 is the replacement to Polaris at the low end. When you make a new architecture you really want it to go form top to bottom so all the new efficiencies and features are int he entire lineup. And its not hard to make the architecture scale quite widely, except to the veyr bottom end. Replacing Polaris with Vega GPUs should be trivial, like Pascal does 1050 up to Titan all very well, just bigger and bigger chips with more and more cores.
 
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This slide from AMD suggests otherwise. I am assuming it's a legit AMD screen but could be fake.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/AMD-VEGA-10-VEGA20-VEGA-11-NAVI-roadmap.jpg

You can see there Vega 11 is supposed to take over from Polaris.
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yes vega will eventually be a full line up, but the release happening in few week will only be 1 chip with 2 SKUs competing with 1080/1070 with some luck a bit faster, but that's it, maybe at the end of the year a Ti+ competitor.
but as for polaris it's here to stay for another year befor it's replaced, first you get the rebrand, then you get the RX 550/540 based on polaris, vega features(hbcc) seem to be too expensive to add to low end cards, so my guess their line up will have 2 architectures until navi shows up with something like 5 GPUs 1-2-4-6-8.
 
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D.P. said:
IMO, vega 11 is the replacement to Polaris at the low end. When you make a new architecture you really want it to go form top to bottom so all the new efficiencies and features are int he entire lineup.
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That's how Nvidia seems to like doing things, but not AMD. They seem fine with developing new architectures targeted at specific levels, while using older cards to fill out other levels if necessary/viable. Hawaii started out as top range in 2013, but they were still a part of the main range in 2016 up until Polaris released. They did the same with Tahiti.

I dont think Vega is expected to ever replace Polaris completely. They would definitely need well more than just two GPU's for that anyways while also filling in the high end.

Maybe Navi will change this depending on what they mean by 'scalability', but for now, Vega seems it will sit alongside Polaris, but wont replace it.
 
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